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"It is not yet your hour."
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 11, 2021, 09:07:06 PM ---I feel like Langtry being the bad guy is the red herring of the series...
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--- Quote from: Mira on June 17, 2021, 11:42:14 AM ---I wouldn't be shocked if Langtry, incognito, shows up on Harry's door and presents a totally different picture from what Carlos told Harry.
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I desperately want Langtry to have orchestrated kicking Harry out of the Council so as to have someone outside of the Council to investigate the Black Council.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense or seem too likely; I just really like the idea.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 16, 2021, 03:34:14 AM ---I don't know if these are Jim's personal views or not but Harry definitely has a bit of a libertarian vibe. Not that I am saying that's a bad thing or a good thing, just the read I got from what Harry says about such things from time to time.
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That's kind of how Marcone is portrayed too. Basically all the crime we read about Marcone's organization doing is just business between mutually consenting adults. Even his protection racket is mostly portrayed that way in recent books. The people paying protection are protected from the Fomor. (Normally protection rackets are protection from the person the victim is paying).
--- Quote from: Basil on June 27, 2021, 09:55:48 PM ---We know from Proven Guilty that Merlin holds ALL their proxies.
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--- Quote from: Snark Knight on July 01, 2021, 01:33:06 AM ---I suppose Langtry could have pulled rank to move if from an open council vote to Senior only based on the rule Eb used in SK that any senior councilor can move a vote from open to senior council only.
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That takes three votes (and maybe the presence of a quorum. I don't have the book available to look it up right now). That was the problem Eb introduced in the beginning of PT. Were there three votes after the Battle of Chicago? As Mira points out, Carlos does say that the Senior Council voted. Is there an emergency vote provision we don't know about? Was the vote expelling Harry illegal?
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on June 08, 2021, 06:41:06 PM ---what do you think will cause Harry to take a direct stand again the White Council?
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My money is it's going to be Harry calling them on their BS. I'm sure what form their BS is going to take. Something like Molly's hearing in PG. Maybe the Council will have become too corrupt.
Mira:
--- Quote ---That takes three votes (and maybe the presence of a quorum. I don't have the book available to look it up right now). That was the problem Eb introduced in the beginning of PT. Were there three votes after the Battle of Chicago? As Mira points out, Carlos does say that the Senior Council voted. Is there an emergency vote provision we don't know about? Was the vote expelling Harry illegal?
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The way I read the quote that I provided was the Senior Council called an "emergency" meeting after the Battle of Chicago. Who would have the power? The Merlin. With three of the Senior members indisposed, how can that be a fair trial or a legal vote? And can anyone explain in the light of that, that it was "unanimous?" As I said, the Merlin tried to pull that off when Molly was tried, he claimed to have the proxies of the missing members.. But when they came back they didn't exactly vote the way that Langtry claimed in their behalf. So did that happen again? My guess is yes it did. However I think even Langtry realized that a death sentence crossed the line, so they changed it to banishment and loss of wizard status.. Which brings up another question, how do unwizard a fully trained wizard? He might be kicked out of the club, but Harry is still every bit the wizard he was before.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 03, 2021, 08:31:44 PM ---The way I read the quote that I provided was the Senior Council called an "emergency" meeting after the Battle of Chicago. Who would have the power? The Merlin. With three of the Senior members indisposed, how can that be a fair trial or a legal vote? And can anyone explain in the light of that, that it was "unanimous?" As I said, the Merlin tried to pull that off when Molly was tried, he claimed to have the proxies of the missing members.. But when they came back they didn't exactly vote the way that Langtry claimed in their behalf. So did that happen again? My guess is yes it did. However I think even Langtry realized that a death sentence crossed the line, so they changed it to banishment and loss of wizard status.. Which brings up another question, how do unwizard a fully trained wizard? He might be kicked out of the club, but Harry is still every bit the wizard he was before.
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Mab is fine with the current situation because it basically releases Harry of all his obligations to the white council. An official death sentence however is something I do not think she can ignore. I think that is an attack on her household.
And Molly would not ignore it either.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 03, 2021, 09:18:10 PM ---Mab is fine with the current situation because it basically releases Harry of all his obligations to the white council. An official death sentence however is something I do not think she can ignore. I think that is an attack on her household.
And Molly would not ignore it either.
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I don't think Langtry was so worried about Mab as things are getting very complicated and he feels like he is losing control.
forumghost:
Does giving Dresden the boot really help with that though?
I mean, Harry was already under a suspended death sentence technically (since the doom was never lifted due to Molly not having a 'proper' graduation).
So it kinda seems like the only thing that the White Council get from this is they lose what little bit of influence they have over Harry, in exchange gain... pissing off Eb?
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