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How Murphy could return to the Dresden Files
HavokVonFaust:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on April 09, 2021, 02:08:30 AM ---There has been a lot of talk about Murphy in the Barabbas Curse thread. I thought I'd add a different angle to that conversation and give it a more appropriate setting.
Yes, Karrin Murphy is dead; but I'm calling it now, we will see her again. Jim has already given readers who were upset at her departure the cryptic remark that they will have to "see what happens." Of course, some of them my decide not to wait and stop reading the series. That's their choice to make, what I'm writing is for those who will continue reading the series. So how will Murphy return to the Dresden Files beyond being a memory? I see at least three possible scenarios, besides a possible appearance in the Mirror Mirror world.
1. Ragnarok is not as far in the future as you; and apparently Ms. Gard, thinks it is. In this scenario Odin knows his time is coming to an end and calls in the favor that Harry owes him to take care of some unfinished business. The rule about einherjar not being seen until after the memory of them has disappeared goes out the window because it's an all hands on deck situation. So Einherjar Murphy works as Odin's liaison with Dresden, helping him accomplish whatever it is Odin wants to get done. The problem with this scenario is built into Norse mythology. When Ragnarok occurs, all the einherjar die along with Odin. So, Harry would get to lose Murphy twice. Yea, I'm not seeing that as a fan favorite idea, and I'm pretty sure Jim would realize that and not go there.
2. Ragnarok will not take place anytime in the near future, but Odin needs to get something done in the near term and the person best qualified is the Winter Knight, so Odin calls in his favor. Ordinarily, this wouldn't involve Harry getting to see Murphy, but this favor can only be accomplished in Asgard or maybe Valhalla. Harry has been to one afterlife, so why not another one? Odin's rule isn't violated because Murphy doesn't go back to earth, Harry goes to her and gets to work with her again. This is a rather bittersweet scenario because it's a one and done affair. This scenario could happen, but I don't think it would make fans very happy; plus, I don't really see the point of having Murphy back one last time. I doubt Jim would consider it.
3. This should be really easy to guess. Sure, an einherjar can't return to earth until their memory has faded from living memory, but I don't remember Gard saying anything about this rule applying to valkyries. Karrin Murphy doesn't really fit the berserker stereotype. I can't picture Murphy ever joyfully charging into battle against Jotuns, even with a rocket launcher. Murphy as a valkyrie, that I can picture. I even have a long scenario how this could happen, but there's no need to go into that. The beauty of this scenario is Murphy doesn't have to be in every book. She can be off doing jobs for Odin most of the time. When she gives Harry advice it could be practical advice because she is now a real player in the supernatural game.
What do you think?
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I think the answer is a lot simpler:
Kim has stated that Harry will brake all 7 laws at one point. I think he'll bring her back.
Mira:
--- Quote from: ntribley on April 17, 2021, 08:18:49 PM ---I found it a little strange how Rudolph just seemed to disappear after his post-Murphy encounter with Dresden. I mean, he was pretty beaten up, both physically and mentally. And suddenly he’s just gone? Who helped him and why? Neither Sanya nor Butters did.
What if Rudolph’s killing Murphy was a “Mirror Mirror” action. We’ve already been given hints of things that are never explained in prior books, such as Little Chicago suddenly being fixed before Harry used it the first time. Another was that drive-by accident whose perpetrators were never explained. Butcher has already hinted that eventually Harry will break all of the Council’s laws. What if - in order to stop the alt-Harry’s antics, he has to go back in time, and changes something such that Rudolph, or possibly alt-Rudolph- doesn’t kill Murphy. When Harry returns to the present timeline, Murphy is back, having never died. Her showing up again might also derail Mab’s plan for Harry to marry Lara.
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But she may not be the Murphy that Harry loves, she could turn out to still be a cop, a hard nosed one at that. Like the original Murphy, though she worked with Harry on cases, she was also quick to jump to conclusions and point the finger at Harry in at least two books.
g33k:
--- Quote from: HavokVonFaust on February 23, 2024, 07:45:23 PM --- ... Kim has stated that Harry will brake all 7 laws at one point. I think he'll bring her back.
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I suspect that either raising Sue, or the horde of vengeful spectres that took down Bianca, counts as "raising the dead."
He already got away with a killing, when he took out Justin.
Only 5 more to go!!! 8)
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 23, 2024, 11:02:09 PM ---I suspect that either raising Sue, or the horde of vengeful spectres that took down Bianca, counts as "raising the dead."
He already got away with a killing, when he took out Justin.
Only 5 more to go!!! 8)
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Also skating on very thin ice when he and Molly sparred mentally..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 26, 2024, 01:33:08 PM ---Also skating on very thin ice when he and Molly sparred mentally..
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I don't think so, but maybe...?
They were working on developing their mental defenses; the only way to do that is by defending against mental attacks. The "win condition" was a specific mental image, nothing with mental controls or outside impulses.
Now... could a very-subtle mind-mage like Molly have slipped some low-key "extras" in, unnoticed in the face of the larger contest? Likely, to be honest. I suspect that she did not, but I don't think we can be sure.
The whole practice (of practicing mental defenses (and thus of practicing mental attacks)) was deprecated in the White Council because it can slide so easily into law-breaking, and it can be so difficult to figure out the intent, when Something Goes Wrong. But then the Captain of the Wardens had her mind kicked out of her own body by a Kemmlerite, and the WC secretary turned out to have been diddling the minds of most/all of the Senior Council & the Wardens... and they suddenly realized their "just say no" policy was so very head-in-the-sand that it bordered on being suicidal.
I think Harry training Molly was pretty safe... or as much so as such things ever can be.
In particular: I don't think it's going to be the major Lawbreaking that Jim was intending when he said he'd have Harry break all 7 Laws.
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