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Justin and Simon may be dead but they may also be
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on January 29, 2021, 12:51:55 PM ---Indeed, I think a few people believe that. The significance of the stars falling hasn't been guessed at convincingly though as far as I have read around the internet.
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--- Quote ---“In what is coming,” the Walker said. “The unraveling of all things into darkness and silence.” “Empty Night,” I breathed. “Empty Night,” the creature echoed, in the hushed tone of a holy phrase.
Butcher, Jim. Battle Ground (Dresden Files) (p. 361). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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I would think that the stars would need to fall from the sky's for Empty Night. That's my best guess. I'm a literalist.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 01, 2021, 11:42:35 PM ---It's probably nicer than knowing I can admit I was wrong. ;)
I think it's more likely Harry killed Justin than Justin faked his death, but I definitely don't think it should be dismissed.
I don't think it was a change in Justin's plans, under that theory. I'm not saying I buy the theory. I'm just saying it's a theory that explains how Jim could plausibly and believably pull off a Justin isn't dead storyline. And it's not the only believable way Jim could bring Justin back.
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Hah! Yeah, I would be surprised if Jim answers these questions anytime soon. Might not be until Mirror Mirror or even the BAT. Which is annoying but we have come this far...
Agreed, many ways to allow the return of Justin. Although many don't believe so. Whatever the theory about Justin's death, I think the one thing that should be fairly apparent is that he will return in some form.
--- Quote ---Usually a better answer than one explanation when the two explanations aren't mutually exclusive.
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Very true.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 02, 2021, 01:11:22 AM ---I would think that the stars would need to fall from the sky's for Empty Night. That's my best guess. I'm a literalist.
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It certainly would suit Jim's style. I always think back to that description of the battlefield Outside the Outer Gates (I think capitalising Outside is correct when somewhere is beyond those Gates). The hungry night with a rolling dark, empty sky. I suspect that somehow this is what would be the reality should the Outsiders win. Interestingly, in the Bible there is a whole bit about the Dragon (Satan) taking a third of the stars (angels) with him. Perhaps the stars falling would be linked to the fall/death of the remaining angels? Supernatural did a very literal version of that in some later season I believe, where all the angels were kicked out of Heaven and appear as falling stars.
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