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Demonreach and the NeverNever
morriswalters:
I seen a lot of talk that it's Hell and has Lucifer. I'm not sure that Jim has made up his mind about it. But the Black Council is already aware of it. Rashid doesn't portal directly to the island. He says the island holds a grudge. I suspect that Jim is going to dump the boat. As a plot device it's unwieldy and consumes too much travel time. He pretty much jumped the shark by stopping the action for a boat ride and then by having Harry get attacked by a Kraken and having Molly zoom in on a pair of sharks.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 23, 2021, 02:55:52 PM ---It contains the ways Margaret knew. That means it does not contain the ways Jim does not want Harry to know.
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Well, that is always the case, however I remember the Gatekeeper warning that the way he used in Turn Coat was very dangerous and implied that Harry might not be experienced enough to use it. However having said that, no one traveled a way from Chicago to the island that I know of. I also remember with the exception of the Gatekeeper the Senior Council traveled there by boat. Peabody didn't as we know, but most likely he also had help or an escort to do it.
Yuillegan:
Interesting idea Ebrien. Generally it seems that, at least in the later books, a place in the mortal world corresponds to a similarly related place in the Never Never. Curiously, it was implied at one time it doesn't mean that there is only one place on the other side.
So it could go to the Mother's cottage. It could also go to any related dark place.
The way Nicodemus spoke about it though suggests there is a specific place that people cross through, so not just any prison or dark place in the spirit world.
I wouldn't necessarily say it was Hell, even if Nicodemus was confident of his ground. In fact, I am rather surprised he chose a place where he could get locked up for an eternity. I also believe if Hell were on the other side of Demonreach then surely he should have been able to draw on that advantage against Dresden.
But I do think it is probably some awful place, perhaps another famous spirit world prison. I would hazard a guess at either Celtic or Welsh or Native American mythos.
I don't really see the relationship between the Mother's cottage and a prison for demons/monsters myself but it is possible. Unless you think that the Cottage or perhaps Winter itself is imprisoning some terrible beings.
Another place could be Hades' Underworld. I am sure more than one person has speculated it's Tartarus on the other side...which would be suitably awful.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on January 23, 2021, 11:33:52 PM ---Interesting idea Ebrien. Generally it seems that, at least in the later books, a place in the mortal world corresponds to a similarly related place in the Never Never. Curiously, it was implied at one time it doesn't mean that there is only one place on the other side.
So it could go to the Mother's cottage. It could also go to any related dark place.
The way Nicodemus spoke about it though suggests there is a specific place that people cross through, so not just any prison or dark place in the spirit world.
I wouldn't necessarily say it was Hell, even if Nicodemus was confident of his ground. In fact, I am rather surprised he chose a place where he could get locked up for an eternity. I also believe if Hell were on the other side of Demonreach then surely he should have been able to draw on that advantage against Dresden.
But I do think it is probably some awful place, perhaps another famous spirit world prison. I would hazard a guess at either Celtic or Welsh or Native American mythos.
I don't really see the relationship between the Mother's cottage and a prison for demons/monsters myself but it is possible. Unless you think that the Cottage or perhaps Winter itself is imprisoning some terrible beings.
Another place could be Hades' Underworld. I am sure more than one person has speculated it's Tartarus on the other side...which would be suitably awful.
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I think a key question is, what is Demonreach really for.
I mean, we learned Hades' vault is an armory of weapons stored away because they're dangerous if misused. That same thing could sort of describe Demonreach, depending on just how much the Warden can use the inmates. If it's an armory of people, it might as well connect to Valhalla or Fólkvangr (or other places where the dead souls linger awaiting battle) rather than Tartaros (where the imprisoned are to suffer/be punished).
Arjan:
There is no other reason to release them than a break of the gates and a massive outsider break through.
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