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morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Harry died. His soul left his body. He just was not gone, the distinction is clearly made in the books.
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Clearly if he was a ghost he was dead, since ghosts aren't souls. However if his soul was wandering around, he wasn't dead. To the best of my knowledge in Cristian mythology only one man has been raised from the dead.
According to Wikipedia there are seven cardinal sins and suicide isn't one of them. Suicide is a mortal sin and condemns you to hell. Colin appears to be in purgatory.
Mira:
--- Quote from: deadvoid on December 23, 2020, 09:46:55 AM ---That really depends on whether suicide is a cardinal sin or not in Dresdenverse, Jim made it sounds they chose what they think should happened wrt religion & afterlife, and Catholics don't think they deserve anything but hell
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I was told that they have modified that doctrine a bit, depending on whether or not the person was mentally ill or not at the time. Captain Jack is in sort of a purgatory, neither Heaven or Hell, perhaps the only choice he has is whether or not he wants to earn a ticket to Heaven by working for Uriel.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 23, 2020, 12:23:37 PM ---Clearly if he was a ghost he was dead, since ghosts aren't souls. However if his soul was wandering around, he wasn't dead.
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that is according to the definition of dead used by everyone with understanding in and outside the books from Mab and Lea to Jim.
Ghost story is pretty clear about it.
--- Quote ---To the best of my knowledge in Cristian mythology only one man has been raised from the dead.
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There is Lazarus and if memory not deceives me several other nameless ones. Besides Jim is not bound to Christian mythology alone.
Lea especially was quite clear:
--- Quote --- “With significant capability,” Lea replied, stressing the phrase. “When Corpsetaker’s spirit still dwelt upon the mortal coil, even bodies with latent talent were hospitable enough for her to exercise her full power. But thanks to you, and like you, my dear godson, she has passed beyond the threshold between life and death. Now she requires a body with a much greater inherent talent in order to use her gifts once she is inside it.”
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He had passed the threshold between life and dead. With other words he was dead.
--- Quote ---According to Wikipedia there are seven cardinal sins and suicide isn't one of them. Suicide is a mortal sin and condemns you to hell. Colin appears to be in purgatory.
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According to articles on the web I read the catholic stance on suicide softened somewhat lately. It is still wrong but depression and so on can be mitigating factors.
deadvoid:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 23, 2020, 12:23:37 PM ---Clearly if he was a ghost he was dead, since ghosts aren't souls. However if his soul was wandering around, he wasn't dead. To the best of my knowledge in Cristian mythology only one man has been raised from the dead.
According to Wikipedia there are seven cardinal sins and suicide isn't one of them. Suicide is a mortal sin and condemns you to hell. Colin appears to be in purgatory.
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good point on the difference between cardinal (sins that lead to other sins) & mortal sins.
Somehow I'm under the impression that ghost & spirit are interchangeable in Dresdenverse, remnants or echo of lost souls wandering in the world because they couldn't move on, while soul is, well what Uriel said
--- Quote from: Mira on December 23, 2020, 12:29:44 PM ---I was told that they have modified that doctrine a bit, depending on whether or not the person was mentally ill or not at the time. Captain Jack is in sort of a purgatory, neither Heaven or Hell, perhaps the only choice he has is whether or not he wants to earn a ticket to Heaven by working for Uriel.
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yeah i took a quick peek on the precise definition from catholic cathecism, based on morriswalters correction
--- Quote ---In Roman Catholic moral theology, a mortal sin requires that all of the following conditions are met:
- Its subject matter must be grave. (The term "grave sin" is used at times to indicate grave matter, and at times to indicate mortal sin. But it always remains true that the following two conditions are requisite for mortal sin.)
- It must be committed with full knowledge (and awareness) of the sinful action and the gravity of the offense.
- It must be committed with deliberate and complete consent.
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so the 2nd point determines whether the act of sin committed is grave enough to be mortal or venial sin
As for Collin, I think he took the job under Uriel either because like Harry he needed to know what happened to him that led to his death, then decided that working for Uriel aligns/serves his ideals/purpose of vocation such as justice & family, or Uriel offered him the job because he was already closer to supernatural world than other humans when he worked in Special Division. Meaning he was righteous enough as a person to earn Uriel's respect
morriswalters:
This isn't my first rodeo where this topic is concerned. Lea is mistaken.
--- Quote ---“Dead is a grey word,” Mab hissed. “Mortals fear it, and so they wish it to be black—and they have but few words to contain its reality. It escapes from such constraints. Death is a spectrum, not a line. And you, my knight, had not yet vanished into the utter darkness.”
Butcher, Jim. Ghost Story (The Dresden Files, Book 13) (p. 575). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Here's what Jim really thinks. You ain't dead until your brain is. Which Jim uses in a microfiction he has the Archive to tell Kincaid not to take the head shot. Corpsetaker was never alive in the true sense, but she is in hell, so what the hell, I forgive her.
If I'm gonna be wrong about something I aver, I do it right. Ten people are raised from the dead in the Bible. Oh well.
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