The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Dina on January 29, 2021, 06:05:59 AM ---No one is going to kill his love again in the middle of a war that depends completely on him.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. ;)
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 29, 2021, 05:05:56 PM ---I've been referring to Grave Peril but that was a mistake in attribution. It's Blood Rites.There is no Mantle at this point and Lash has not yet surfaced although she may be influencing him. He will also go a little crazy at Camp Kaboom. This has been ongoing throughout the series.
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In GP he did lose control and was only stopped by his heart stopping.
I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Harry because I'm genre savvy. How many of the people close to him have had horrible fates befall them? A lot of it, most in fact, wasn't Harry's fault. Doesn't change the fact I wouldn't want to be collateral damage. (Technically, only property can be collateral damage. Injury and death is called incidental injury). It's kind of like hanging out with a cartel member. You could end up dead just because you were near them.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 29, 2021, 08:27:30 PM ---I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Harry because I'm genre savvy. How many of the people close to him have had horrible fates befall them? A lot of it, most in fact, wasn't Harry's fault. Doesn't change the fact I wouldn't want to be collateral damage. (Technically, only property can be collateral damage. Injury and death is called incidental injury). It's kind of like hanging out with a cartel member. You could end up dead just because you were near them.
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Yeah, nothing against Harry, but the sensible response to Dresden is to decide, "fuck that, I'm going to move to Europe/Asia/Australia/etc", that should be far enough to avoid the splash zone.
Mira:
--- Quote ---There is no Mantle at this point and Lash has not yet surfaced although she may be influencing him. He will also go a little crazy at Camp Kaboom. This has been ongoing throughout the series.
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Yes, he did, he had just witnessed a couple of teenage warden apprentices being murdered and eaten by Ghouls.. Yeah, it made him a little crazy for a while. You ever see the movie about the war hero Audie Murphy, true story? After his friend was cut down, he went a little nuts too, taking out several German machine gun nests all by himself and he didn't spare anyone. And yes, Harry was under Lasciel's influence then, it was pre-Lash, that is how he could understand the speech of the Ghouls.
--- Quote ---I'm suggesting that Jim is writing a character who is an antithesis of who the character professes to be.
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I understand what you are suggesting, what I am saying is you are mistaken. Harry has never professed to be a saint, he has made mistakes as we all do.
--- Quote ---"No," Ebenezar said. "You've got to breathe, boy. Think."
I started gathering power. "Kill him. Kill him. Everything. All of it. Nothing left."
"Harry," Ebenezar snapped. "Harry, let go. You can't handle that kind of power. You'll kill yourself if you try."
I didn't care about that, either. The power felt too good—too strong. I wanted it. I wanted Raith to pay. I wanted him to suffer, screaming, and then die for what he had done to me. And I was strong enough to make it happen. I had the power and the resolve to bring such a tide of magic against him that he would be utterly destroyed. I would lay him low and make him howl for mercy before I tore him apart. He deserved nothing less.
And then fire blossomed in my hand again, so sudden and sharp that my back convulsed into an agonized arch, and I fell to the floor. I couldn't scream. The pain washed my fury away like dandelions before a flash flood. I looked around wildly and saw the old man's broad, calloused hand clamped down over my burned, lightly bandaged flesh with bruising strength. When he saw my eyes he released my hand, his expression sickened.
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Again, this isn't an evil person speaking, nor even a calculating one.. He is injured, quite severely, lots of pain, vulnerable emotionally and he just learned a hell of a lot that he wasn't prepared for. It is revealed to him who murdered his mother. Again, his reaction is very normal. Eb even confesses that he, himself tried to go after Raith, but he couldn't kill him, he is protected. Yes, Harry's thoughts are ugly, violent, but natural that he'd want to go after the person who did it.. I've had those thoughts too, a friend's dog was shot in his own yard by some thrill seekers, jerks. Did I act on those thoughts? No, but let us say I didn't wish whoever did it, well.
If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting Harry's reactions stem from some thing that Justin created, this huge character flaw in Harry. If it is, it is a very human one, no, he isn't a bad man appearing to be good. Your examples do not prove your point.
--- Quote ---I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Harry because I'm genre savvy. How many of the people close to him have had horrible fates befall them? A lot of it, most in fact, wasn't Harry's fault. Doesn't change the fact I wouldn't want to be collateral damage. (Technically, only property can be collateral damage. Injury and death is called incidental injury). It's kind of like hanging out with a cartel member. You could end up dead just because you were near them.
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Or if you know Harry well at all and profess to be his friend, you know perfectly well if there is a shit fest Harry is going to be in the middle of the cesspool combating it. If you want to be any where near it some of that smelly brown stuff is going to hit you in the process. Yet they do it over and over again.
--- Quote ---Yeah, nothing against Harry, but the sensible response to Dresden is to decide, "fuck that, I'm going to move to Europe/Asia/Australia/etc", that should be far enough to avoid the splash zone.
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Yeah, yet they do it over and over again and they don't even wear a raincoat.. ::)
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 29, 2021, 02:22:54 PM ---It did what it needed to do. Harry didn't feel empathy for Rudolph, but at the day care, he knew that Rudolph wasn't playing with a full deck either. In other words, Harry was very rational about him, so was Bradley, Rudolph was knocked out so the kids could be gotten to safety. However Harry had other problems and in the confusion, Rudolph came to with a gun with in reach. He took it and in his insane panic murdered Murphy senselessly. At that point in his emotional response to her murder, it was impossible for Harry to respond rationally. He responded with rage, the reptilian parts of his brain responded and screamed for retribution. Harry is no normal human that can be grabbed and pinned down until he came to his senses again, he is a wizard. Not only a wizard, but the Winter Knight, with a mantle that was screaming "HEEHA" adding all the fuel it could to the rage.
It wasn't until the shock of the Holy burn from the Sword cut though it all, was he able to come to his senses, and yeah, again feel a degree of empathy for Rudolph. However it won't be till Rudolph is actually tried, if he is tried, and Harry forgives him will we know if the empathy is real or not.
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Again you miss what I'm saying, the sword didn't just deliver a shock it also forced empathy down Harry's throat as forcefully as the WK mantle was sending him anger. Nicer goal but same overall method of going "you're going to feel what I want you to feel".
--- Quote ---I felt Rudolph. Felt his terror. His agony. His confusion. His humiliation. His remorse. His sick self-hatred. I felt them all as if they were my own. I saw myself through Rudolph’s eyes, huge and vicious and deadly, implacable as an avalanche.
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Mira:
--- Quote ---Again you miss what I'm saying, the sword didn't just deliver a shock it also forced empathy down Harry's throat as forcefully as the WK mantle was sending him anger. Nicer goal but same overall method of going "you're going to feel what I want you to feel".
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No, I don't miss what you are saying, I don't think you understand what I am saying. The mantle was goosing up the anger that Harry already felt when Murphy was murdered. The burn was a bucket of ice water that cut through that. Harry is already a pretty empathic type of guy, the burn was telling him to look again at what he is seeing? A murderer or the pathetic scared coward that he has seen just minutes before Murphy was murdered. Brought back to himself, Harry saw the pathetic scared man. The burn didn't force him to feel that, it brought him back to who he was, then he saw that.
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