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Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on January 29, 2021, 06:54:17 AM ---I agree, Arjan. I still think Dresden is not a danger for Maggie and I would lke him around me.
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No problem but you should be careful with his protective instincts if you see both Harry and Maggie together ;D
Dina:
I know ;D
Mira:
--- Quote ---To me, there were two elements of Harry's behavior that stood out and are distinct from one another. The first was Harry's initial attack against Rudolph. I would expect that under the same or similar circumstances; not every person, but a large percentage of population would react with a similar amount of rage and violence; if they were capable of physically delivering it. What was more disturbing was how long Harry held onto that rage and that he seemed to be reveling in it. I think a much smaller percentage of the population would go that far, but I have no doubt some people would. When Harry lets his anger control him you understand why the White Council is afraid of him. So I partially agree with you. Harry, absolutely needs to address his anger issue before he goes too far one day and can't come back. However, I don't think he's a lost cause.
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One question, but if you don't care to answer it, I understand. You said you've felt that kind of rage, did you stop yourself in the end or did someone else prevent you from causing further damage?
But back to the story, you also say that it is disturbing that it took so much and it so long before Harry could be stopped. I think that is where the mantle comes in, it lives for rape and violence, it revels in it, it makes whoever holds it, a monster if not tightly controlled. Since Changes Harry has
fought those effects, not always successfully, but more than most, because he understands both the benefits it brings in a fight, and the draw backs because it is mindless and stimulates the strictly mindless animal parts of the brain. His reaction to Murphy's murder was a normal human one, but then it triggered the mantle, that took over and it was no longer human, it was no longer Harry. It took an archangel to stop him, a burn from a Holy Sword to cut through his very real pain, and the mantle's power to bring him back to being just Harry once more. The fact that he could be brought back, feels real remorse for losing it and continues to feel shame when he thinks of that burn says he still is the good man he always was. Both Butters and Sanya understand that, the archangel in charge of the Sword of Hope also understands that, that is why Harry merely got a nasty burn to remind him of his danger and very near fall, It didn't cut his arm off.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 29, 2021, 12:26:56 PM ---One question, but if you don't care to answer it, I understand. You said you've felt that kind of rage, did you stop yourself in the end or did someone else prevent you from causing further damage?
But back to the story, you also say that it is disturbing that it took so much and it so long before Harry could be stopped. I think that is where the mantle comes in, it lives for rape and violence, it revels in it, it makes whoever holds it, a monster if not tightly controlled. Since Changes Harry has
fought those effects, not always successfully, but more than most, because he understands both the benefits it brings in a fight, and the draw backs because it is mindless and stimulates the strictly mindless animal parts of the brain. His reaction to Murphy's murder was a normal human one, but then it triggered the mantle, that took over and it was no longer human, it was no longer Harry. It took an archangel to stop him, a burn from a Holy Sword to cut through his very real pain, and the mantle's power to bring him back to being just Harry once more. The fact that he could be brought back, feels real remorse for losing it and continues to feel shame when he thinks of that burn says he still is the good man he always was. Both Butters and Sanya understand that, the archangel in charge of the Sword of Hope also understands that, that is why Harry merely got a nasty burn to remind him of his danger and very near fall, It didn't cut his arm off.
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Don't forget the forced empathy for Rudolph, the intent was nicer but the sword did the same thing that the WK mantle did in twisting Harry's emotional state in a desired direction.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Dina on January 29, 2021, 06:05:59 AM ---I disagree (with that and with your previous post). Harry exploded in angry like most people would had, and the mantle did not allowed it to stop himself. But there were very extenuating circumstances. No one is going to kill his love again in the middle of a war that depends completely on him (he knows he is the only one that would bind the Titan, he knows the plan of all the coalition is on his shoulder). He is not dangerous for Maggie in any case.
"I wouldn't want him next to me in any capacity where I had to depend on him. Especially if he couldn't tell friend from foe when he gets angry."
Well, Sanya, Butters, Michael (and Mab) all seem to think different. Harry is not crazy, not is he going around force-choking people like Darth Vader. He is a good man at core and he loves Maggie.
It's the outburst what worries you so much? Would you feel safer around Marcone, because he is cold and calculating?
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Nothing about it worries me at all. He's a fictional character. Jim's did it for a reason and you are getting my opinion on what the reason is. There is a reason for showing Harry experiencing that loss of control. Jim has Harry quote a line from Marvel comics. "With great power comes great responsibility." Is this suddenly not true in the canon of the books because Harry is having a bad day? In the real world I don't know any crime lords or superheroes. Nor do I have any desire to. In Battle Ground these fictional caharacters kill 60000 people. Why would you want to know them?
--- Quote ---One question, but if you don't care to answer it, I understand. You said you've felt that kind of rage, did you stop yourself in the end or did someone else prevent you from causing further damage?
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A friend got me moving out of the house. For the record it never occurred to me to attack him. Unless there is an underlying mental illness you can't maintain that level of anger for very long. It drains you. There is even a nickname for what happens. Amygdala hijack.
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