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Walkers and Swords and Houses [BG Spoilers]
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on November 25, 2020, 08:56:59 AM ---is it? How do you know?
I still see no difference between love as an emotion and love as a force of virtue, heck, as a force of creation itself for that matter. After all, it was the sacrifice Lash made, which one can easily define as selfless love, that allowed the creation of Bonnie.
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I think you just said it all yourself, all of the above is true love. Sex has nothing to do with true love.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---I still see no difference between love as an emotion and love as a force of virtue, heck, as a force of creation itself for that matter.
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I'm not sure about Dresden-verse mechanics, but IRL I can totally see practicing virtue of love without any backup from your own emotions.
Not to mention - virtue of love as describe by Paul in his hymn, is in Greek different word than love in romantic, erotic, friendship or paternal sense. Each of those have separate words for it. Paul forged basically own neologism - agape - to show it's not the same thing.
Most of languages around unfortunately have poorer vocabulary than Koine Greek - that's why Latin stuck basically with two - amor and caritas (and caritas was chosen as translation of agape - TBH contrary to what Butcher used.) But definitely in Christianity virtue of love is closer to charity than to all this emotional loves around.
--- Quote ---But true love is in the same category as the love that empowers Ammorachius. Or rather there is no difference.
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It may be or not. For me it's something of smaller scale definitely. But then I'm staunch antiromantic, so I have my biases :P
Mira:
--- Quote ---It may be or not. For me it's something of smaller scale definitely. But then I'm staunch antiromantic, so I have my biases
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It isn't about romance, think of the quote,
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him may not die but have eternal life."
That about sums up the three Holy Swords doesn't it? Love, Faith, and Hope, that is also what true love is about.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote ---I'm not sure about Dresden-verse mechanics, but IRL I can totally see practicing virtue of love without any backup from your own emotions.
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willpower is an emotion too, so chaste love would be as well. It's not overpowering emotional content that makes it or breaks it.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
I'm not sure willpower is an emotion. It's more a faculty of self, like mental endurance. Within DF it may be or not sign of using free will.
--- Quote ---It isn't about romance, think of the quote,
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him may not die but have eternal life."
That about sums up the three Holy Swords doesn't it? Love, Faith, and Hope, that is also what true love is about.
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Indeed. Sacrifical love is closer. Agape. Caritas.
But then mechanics of True Love against whampires suggest it's different set of things. Like relation between God and world, Jesus and humanity was never mutual relation of equals (as True Love is according to Jim). If anything it's more comparable to parent protecting children (who cannot do anything to protect father) and parental love as WOJ teaches do jackshit against whampires (otherwise whampires would be burned way more often I think).
By the way such alternative whampires could be quite cool as very dark psychic monsters - if they can feed of you it means you are basically unloved and unloving. Dark place to go.
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