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[BG spoilers!!] Revisiting the short story "Monsters"
Dina:
Yeah, I don't know, perhaps you are right, but the story seems to stress the eihenjaren part way too much.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 18, 2020, 08:24:54 PM ---But it is weird that Hendricks is not with Marcone, right?
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Nathan was probably visiting his mother. Hendricks was also the one who could tell Marcone he was overstepping. I think Marcone suspected some of his people were involved and that Hendricks would have endorsed Grey’s solution instead of what Marcone wanted. This is perhaps an indication of Namshiel’s influence.
Dina:
I agree about the latter, Namshiel influence. If that is something really happening, Harry will catch it soon (thanks to soulgaze, he knows Marcone very well) and I bet Namshiel will regret it.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 15, 2020, 05:26:45 AM ---Oh, and just a comment. It is relatively easy to make the decision of saving children. As others stated here before, it's not such a great moral thing. I believe the interesting part is that while Grey or Marcone would probably go to some extremes to save children, Harry would probably go to great extremes to save any of them (Marcone and Grey, I mean). And I think in his inner heart Grey wants to be that sort of person, and he is trying. As always, Harry is probably going to influence him to go to that side. Marcone, on the other hand, seems to have decided to go the dark side. But, as I said before, I still see hope of redemption for him. And I still think Marcone himself hopes that, if he ever goes truly, truly dark, Harry will stop him.
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I was looking for a reference to Marcone's past in Even Hand yesterday. While doing that I came across the following quote in Jim's forword.
--- Quote ---In this story, we get to see a little bit of Marcone operating in his own world-a place considerably more grey and nebulous than the relatively clear-cut moral environment Harry Dresden has created with his choices. It is probably worth remembering that Marcone, despite some of the more vile things he presides over, would probably have been considered a rather decent sort of leader for the majority of recorded human history-he is, in fact, rather strongly modeled on the ideals of medieval barons, who, it seems to me, would have made surpassingly excellent and dangerous crime lords.
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The reason I'm felt like this quote was appropriate here is all the statements in this thread tending in the direction that Marcone is an evil piece of human garbage. Jim sees him as more of a grey character. Definitely not a good guy, but also definitely not even close to the worst humanity has to offer.
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on November 16, 2020, 01:30:54 AM ---Now, I'm sure carrying Namshiel for a truly long time would make Marcone even darker. But, realistically, he's already pretty bad. It could take Namshiel decades or centuries to get him to bend on 'no children', if he ever does. I think he's up to something more important than long-gaming a bad man into a worse one, and that something probably takes priority over changing Marcone unless he can get two birds with one stone.
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Namshiel despises humanity as can be seen by his response to Harry's use of soulfire.
With Marcone being far from the worst humanity has to offer, and Namshiel's influence, I think Marcone can end up as something far worse than he is, regardless of any power Namshiel gives Marcone.
Dina:
I don't remember Namshiel reaction to Harry using soulfire :'(
Yes, Jim may see Marcone as grey, which probably happens to us too, I think the better part of Marcone is not his love for children but the fact that he would risk his own life to protect the city, as we seen in PT/BG. But I also think there is truth in his Even Hand statement about him being a monster. He has chosen to do evil things for the love of power. That is quite evil, right?
I also think he will be worse due to Namshiel but I still think that Harry will prevent him for losing his soul. I don't know if Marcone will survive the BAT, but I think his soul may be redeemed, of course, probably with the standard sacrificing for the greater good.
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