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"Talk To Me..." Had Carlos Already Drank the Kool-Aid?
Arjan:
They think he has they eye of balor. It was smart of Harry to spread doubt about that but the white council was not at the meeting when he did so.
The white council is crumbling. It’s most senior and powerful members get too old and that can cause serious problems if the tier below them is considerably weaker what I suspect.
It is also divided. The merlin uses tricks like waiting until members are injured to push things through. I suspect Harry has still some support within the council and will keep it if he behaves reasonably.
It is quite possible that the councils foreign policy, including their handling of Harry, is mainly a product of internal considerations and has less to do with Harry than we think it does. We get a Harry centric narrative after all.
Mira:
--- Quote ---It is quite possible that the councils foreign policy, including their handling of Harry, is mainly a product of internal considerations and has less to do with Harry than we think it does. We get a Harry centric narrative after all.
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Quite possible, it wouldn't be the first time they were willing to throw Harry under the bus for foreign policy considerations. In a lot of ways this was a replay of Summer Knight, while they didn't go so far as wanting him thrown out of the Council, they wanted him demoted back to apprentice, and or handed over to the Red Court to prevent a war. Interesting that they also took the vote when Eb and Listens to Wind were in surgery, and no doubt Rashid was very busy at the Gates. Not known is how Martha Liberty voted, or if she voted, or Christos for that matter, did the battle change their minds about Harry one way or the other?
--- Quote ---It is also divided. The merlin uses tricks like waiting until members are injured to push things through. I suspect Harry has still some support within the council and will keep it if he behaves reasonably.
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Where was the Merlin? I was surprised when he didn't show up for something as important as the peace talks with the Fomor. I wonder if the fact that he made no appearance at all in either book points to something very wrong in the Senior Council? Is there or was there a coup with in the Senior Council, the Merlin reduced to figure head and someone unexpected pulling the strings? We all like to suspect Christos or Ancient Mai, but what if is Klaus the Tinker? The silent member of the Senior Council quietly undermining everything and everybody when eyes are directed elsewhere.
--- Quote ---They think he has they eye of balor. It was smart of Harry to spread doubt about that but the white council was not at the meeting when he did so.
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The question there is, why wasn't a representative from the White Council there? Were they not invited or have they withdrawn from the Accords? Or it might not mean all that much, the Ghouls weren't there either.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 31, 2020, 03:25:10 PM ---The question there is, why wasn't a representative from the White Council there? Were they not invited or have they withdrawn from the Accords? Or it might not mean all that much, the Ghouls weren't there either.
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Harry did spell out a reason, barring further feedback I'm taking his canonical musing as the truth: the Accords fear open war with mankind and are thus not inviting representatives of 'pretty much mankind's defenders'.
Harry also spells out that this is a silly approach and if they instead included mankind they might more or less avoid open war... but then some of those guys are predators on humans, and as wolves, lions and tigers can attest: humans don't treat threatening predators kindly.
Dina:
About why there was not a Council representative in the final meeting, is like Avernite says.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 31, 2020, 12:31:55 PM ---They think he has they eye of balor. It was smart of Harry to spread doubt about that but the white council was not at the meeting when he did so.
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But I was talking before that, in the beach, when Ramirez a) told Harry about the vote (later confirmed by Eb) and b) put a tracking spell on him.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on October 31, 2020, 08:08:46 PM ---Harry did spell out a reason, barring further feedback I'm taking his canonical musing as the truth: the Accords fear open war with mankind and are thus not inviting representatives of 'pretty much mankind's defenders'.
Harry also spells out that this is a silly approach and if they instead included mankind they might more or less avoid open war... but then some of those guys are predators on humans, and as wolves, lions and tigers can attest: humans don't treat threatening predators kindly.
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Yes, I was aware of what Harry said about open war on mankind. Ironically he is deemed a threat, yet he managed to negotiate a solution for the present anyway. Interesting, we didn't hear a peep out of Marcone when war was more or less spoken off as an option against his fellow humans. In fact, he argued against making any amends under the guest law to the citizens of Chicago who lost so much. Namshiel in full charge now? Is his agenda different from Nic/Andriel? Because I seem to remember, perhaps in Skin Game Nic claiming their aims for mankind wasn't that different from Harry's aims.
--- Quote ---But I was talking before that, in the beach, when Ramirez a) told Harry about the vote (later confirmed by Eb) and b) put a tracking spell on him.
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No, I just checked, Carlos didn't say a word about the vote to Harry. He just talked about the peace talks and that the Council expected him to be their liaison with Winter. Harry even asks Carlos if he is sure he wants him on his security team, and Carlos said he did. They fist bumped, that must have been when he planted the tracking dot.
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