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When did LtW join the White Council?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Turn Coat, Ch. 15:
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Once, I watched the tribe I was expected to guide and protect be destroyed, Harry Dresden. I did so because my principles held that it was wrong for the Council or its members to involve itself in manipulating the politics of mortals. I watched and restrained myself, until it was too late for me to make a difference. When I did that, I chose who would live and who would di. My people died for my principles.
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Or that is Listen's to Wind's own sense of guilt that he didn't do enough, because as some point he did step in. The guilt comes from apparently he was in the position where he had to chose who'd live and who'd die among his people. Now was it because as a medicine man he had to triage his patients? Or a bargain he made?
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 29, 2020, 05:24:09 PM ---Or that is Listen's to Wind's own sense of guilt that he didn't do enough, because as some point he did step in. The guilt comes from apparently he was in the position where he had to chose who'd live and who'd die among his people. Now was it because as a medicine man he had to triage his patients? Or a bargain he made?
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He explicitly says they died because he didn't intervene. He also explicitly says it's because of the principle that it's wrong for members of the Council to intervene in mortal politics. So I guess that my original statement was wrong because I said it was implied. It's explicitly stated.
--- Quote --- I did so because my principles held that it was wrong for the Council or its members to involve itself in manipulating the politics of mortals. ... My people died for my principles.
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Emphasis added. LtW didn't intervene because he was a member of the White Council, and LtW believed it was wrong for a member to intervene in mortal politics.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 29, 2020, 05:24:09 PM ---because as some point he did step in.
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There's no evidence that he stepped in.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 29, 2020, 05:24:09 PM ---The guilt comes from apparently he was in the position where he had to chose who'd live and who'd die among his people.
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He chose to not intervene. That's the choice he's referring to. That's the plain meaning of what he's said.
SerScot:
The WC’s imposition of its non-interfereance ethic upon its members is one of the reasons I’m curious about its creation and its history. Imposing that ethic upon cultures that don’t damn, shame, or banish magic users would seem... odd.
vincentric:
The WC had to come to the Americas with the Spaniards at the very latest.
Somehow I don't see the Red Court allowing Cortez and his conquistadors to run roughshod unless they had some magical help.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: SerScot on October 29, 2020, 11:48:34 PM ---The WC’s imposition of its non-interfereance ethic upon its members is one of the reasons I’m curious about its creation and its history. Imposing that ethic upon cultures that don’t damn, shame, or banish magic users would seem... odd.
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At the time the WC was founded, that was all of them.
--- Quote from: vincentric on October 30, 2020, 12:06:27 AM ---The WC had to come to the Americas with the Spaniards at the very latest.
Somehow I don't see the Red Court allowing Cortez and his conquistadors to run roughshod unless they had some magical help.
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It could be that Cortez had help from within the Red Court. Cortez was able to do what he did because he had a great deal of local support. They also had a lot of crosses and faith and stuff.
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