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It's all Mab's fault! (Battle Ground Spoilers)

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--- Quote from: StrayDog on October 13, 2020, 01:45:24 PM ---Murphy's death was IMO one of the best written parts of both books. A little wordy over the empty house bit but still well written. Harry's response as well as the Knights response was also well written.

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The death part really fell flat to me. Very little impact. It was everything after, related to the death, that hit me.


--- Quote from: Mira on October 13, 2020, 06:24:17 PM ---Technically, I would think so, since it would be deliberate and not an accident.

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Everything Jim has said on the subject leads to the conclusion that accidents don't make it not a 1st law violation. It might mitigate it.


--- Quote from: Mira on October 13, 2020, 06:24:17 PM ---They aren't exactly human anymore, they have gills, or can they get through simply because they are mortal?

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They might be human enough for the angels. Maybe the 1st law too. I tend to think that the 1st law "no killing" might be a mistranslation like how many people mistranslate the commandment as "thou shall not kill" when it's actually "thou shall not murder." If self defense and defense of others from black magic are a justification or exception to the general rule, then maybe there are others. It wouldn't line up neatly with our distinction between murder and "killing," but it might be close.

Arjan makes a good point that since no one was there, we can't be definitive as to why they weren't smote.


--- Quote from: Arjan on October 13, 2020, 10:10:28 PM ---The line between human and not human is sometimes a bit vague because it is an arbitrary line.

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It might be a hard line that's just very complicated and hard to discern.


--- Quote from: Mira on October 14, 2020, 04:20:04 AM ---Considering that Carlos vaporized a fair share of them, himself, and nobody is accusing him of breaking the First Law.

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Did he? Or did he vaporize some other Fomor combatants? I'll really have no idea.

And there's another issue. Is it human or mortal that we need to worry about? And what's the dividing line there?

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