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The one thing in battleground the bugged me: [BG Spoilers]
Yuillegan:
Well, they did kill the Fomor Lord responsible for making them (in Bombshells I believe).
But perhaps they did use such tactics away from the main fight. Harry might have been at the center of the conflict for the most part, but who knows what happened outside of that? We don't get much fill in.
Hopefully Jim will mention such things later on.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 04, 2020, 06:32:23 PM ---The only things said to be working are things with batteries taken out or run on gas without modern electrical components.
They kept swapping out batteries in their walkie talkies, and even those weren't lasting with swaps. I'm not sure what motorcycle Murphy had but it might have been an older one with a battery and not much else on the way of electronics.
Remember, the more modern, the more susceptible. So any smartphone or modem camera would be worthless. Only old school cameras would make it through a blast or two, but eventually the odds would be against them.
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They weren't switching batteries. Murphy put new batteries in a new walkie after the first burned out. The one's that kept working were behind wards. I imagine the ones in the field had been stored behind wards. Murphy's Harley was also stored behind wards.
--- Quote from: Avernite on October 04, 2020, 06:37:41 PM ---I admit, it felt a bit weird to me too. And I suspect it really IS too big to contain.
Just, not yet. For a while, Chicago (and NG-inclusive hinterland) can be a woke island in a sea of the unknowing, with information slowly trickling out.
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This is basically my take.
--- Quote from: Shift8 on October 04, 2020, 06:43:13 PM ---There is also the glaring issue of the attack choppers. Those things are full of electronics required for function, both in the weapons and for flying. They are basically flying computers. Those worked but I am supposed to believe that no one got footage of the attack? Rubbish.
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They weren't in Chicago, and Titania got rid of most of the magical energy flying around. The sunrise would have too, and that's when they were expecting the NG.
The attack choppers have footage. I'm not sure what the footage will be like. Will it be heat signatures or what? My point is that I'm not sure it would be self evident what was on the footage. The footage will be in government hands. It would probably leak eventually.
--- Quote from: Shift8 on October 04, 2020, 08:21:37 PM ----Right except they don't. Its been established over the course of the series that most things dont actually break. Murphy even has a conversation with Dresden about this. It never seems to cause any problems for her or any of the bad guys with various guns and other gear. Or really for anyone's phones 90% of the time.
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Fire wasn't working right when Harry did his Egg Shen routine.
The coordination on the ground with the NG was probably being handled either by Lara's people or Marcone's with the warded radios. Both of the have people in state government.
To Morris's point, Harry does mention that they had people dying from lack of clean water that summer. Chicago is also one of the big financial centers of the world. This attack would probably also cause a global recession if not depression.
Pirate101:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 04, 2020, 06:32:23 PM ---Remember, the more modern, the more susceptible. So any smartphone or modem camera would be worthless. Only old school cameras would make it through a blast or two, but eventually the odds would be against them.
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Lots of photo-nerds believe in using old-school analogous equipment. There are lots of cameras out there that work without batteries. Maybe on the attic in a box with grandfather's stuff ...
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on October 04, 2020, 04:14:33 PM --- Edited to remove spoiler content from subject.
- Griff
One of the most exciting things of the entire battleground book in my opinion was the scene where the Apache attack helicopters come at the end and royally fuck up the retreating Fomor. I waiting the entire book just for that scene, which I felt like I knew was coming the entire time since the arrival of the National Guard was foreshadowed numerous times. One of the best parts of the Dresden files more me has always been the relevance of the mortal world. In the DF, guns are not useless weapons. Magic and the supernatural are just different kinds of threats, and the combination of the two adds tremendous flavor the series.
In my head during the book I was hoping for a scene where a main battle tank arrives down a street and puts a sabot through some big baddie, but the helicopters were cool enough.
But the disappointing thing is that even though it is repeatedly stated over and over that this battle is simply to big to be covered up or missed, at the end of the book everyone is saying that it is successfully being covered up.
Sorry, but I call BS. Suspension of disbelief officially suspended. There is no fucking way that 8000 monsters attack a city, killing 20-60,000 people (the book listed different figures at different times), prompting the involvement of the military.......and it gets covered up. Eight Million people saw this shit go down. There is tons of destruction everywhere. Too. many. witnesses.
Also this story took place in time parallel to our own. Too many electronic devices to record things with, and too many ways for that information to leave the city. The explanation at the end about electronics and magic was bullshit. There are probably more phones and computers in Chicago than there are people. And not all of them would have been affected. Even in the places where there was the most reality breakdown due to magic, someones phone or camera was probably working. And Chicago is a big place. There were probably people who recorded things from a distance from tall buildings etc just like during natural disasters like the explosions that occurred in China not too long ago. Also we know for a fact, not even a conjecture, that at least some electronics were working in close proximity to the battle. The attack helicopters. There systems were clearly working or they would not have been able to operating their guns or even fly for that matter. Comms in and out of the city must have been working in come capacity as well, or how else did the NG and other emergency services even get called in or organized?
I really hope that in the next novel this gets undone and it the mortal world comes into knowledge of the supernatural. I think this will take the story in a very interesting direction.
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We saw that the government still attempt to cover things up. Whether or not the attempt will be successful however is a big question mark in my opinion. The fact that the government still try to cover up is not surprising, and though it would likely take effect for now I doubt it would work long term.
noblehunter:
Even just denying everyone an official narrative that lines up with reality would do a great deal to obfuscate what happened. One of the major weaknesses of conspiracy theories is that you have conflicting explanations for the same event. So the government says terrorists which is obviously garbage but none of the stories coming out of Chicago agree with each other. Some people are saying aliens and other people are saying fairies and other people say it was the Iranians and still others saying it was a Chinese attack and other other people are saying the Feds were testing an EMP device and it went horribly wrong. There isn't one voice providing an explanation and there'd be almost nothing of what we've gotten used to qualifying as evidence.
So I don't think the cover-up will result in large numbers of people believing the official narrative but it will allow people to reject uncomfortable facts about what happened.
The big thing we aren't going to get answered is how it would affect US domestic and international politics. Responsibility for the attack would have to be assigned to someone and that someone would be destroyed.
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