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Battle Ground secrets (old and new) and possible implications (Spoilers galore)
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 05, 2020, 04:21:22 AM ---I think I remember a WoJ to that effect. Of course, we'd never see that in one of the novels.
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Depends on how much we'll see of them. If Harry needs to check their catalog for something and travels to D.C., and finds Ivy there, it might be interesting. Especially if he was trying to prevent her from finding out what he was trying to find out. Just to make it extra complicated for Harry.
Bad Alias:
I think it was set it up like everything the Archive does. Untraceable to her.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 04, 2020, 07:03:00 PM ---The problem with a weapon that big is that you need someone big to use it. I don’t think Harry and Marcone are in the right league for that.
Mab makes no effort to get it either. I think Marcone tried to paint a big target on Harry’s back and he countered that with spreading doubt.
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Marcone flat out asks Harry if he was going to use the Eye against the Titan. This was just before he shows him that he has another little toy, The Spear of Destiny... But I digress,
Harry's answer is a bit ambiguous; page324 Battle Ground
--- Quote ---"Maybe I could," I panted. "If I had a lifetime to study it. But probably not. Something like that isn't meant for mortals."
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On one hand he says, no, not meant for mortals... On the other he says if he had a lifetime to study it, he might be able to. Then there is the current speculation that Harry won't always be mortal.. So we could see the Eye come into play in the final BAT.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 04, 2020, 04:32:47 PM ---Harry never took the coin, he had the shadow and one of the reasons he could resist that temptation is that he could change the shadow as well.
The other reason was that he ultimately did not want the coin.
Marcone has the coin. He accepted it with his free will. He wants to keep it. Theoretically he can resist it but practically that will be not that likely. It will become more and more difficult and he will grow dependent on it. The coin will influence him and he will I’ll. e changed as a result. No big change at once but after some time his goals will align with the fallen and he will be their tool. This can take some time but the idea that Harry could take up Lasciel’s coin and stay in control for 500 years is not very likely. It is just a matter of time. Only throwing away the coin will reverse this process.
And as far the KotC going after him. Until Marcone does something to make them take notice, like use the coin to get his way in mundane situations, I think the Knights don't have a reason to interfere.
They need a reason for that. They did not go after Harry when he had the coin.
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I agree that Marcone is going down a very dark path. I'm not saying that Marcone couldn't be redeemed in the end; but that doesn't seem very likely to me. In the immediate future Thorned Namshiel may pretend he doesn't have a problem sitting in Marcone's passenger seat, but fallen angel will eventually start to influence Marcone. It's what they do.
When I said that Harry should tell Butters and Sanya about Marcone's new playmate, I didn't mean to suggest that the KotC's should immediately go after Marcone, just that they should be made aware of the situation. Butters and Sanya's boss will tell them when it's time to face off against the newest Denarian.
Mira:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on October 05, 2020, 06:41:07 AM ---I agree that Marcone is going down a very dark path. I'm not saying that Marcone couldn't be redeemed in the end; but that doesn't seem very likely to me. In the immediate future Thorned Namshiel may pretend he doesn't have a problem sitting in Marcone's passenger seat, but fallen angel will eventually start to influence Marcone. It's what they do.
When I said that Harry should tell Butters and Sanya about Marcone's new playmate, I didn't mean to suggest that the KotC's should immediately go after Marcone, just that they should be made aware of the situation. Butters and Sanya's boss will tell them when it's time to face off against the newest Denarian.
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Oh I think they already know, or have been told by Mr Sunshine.. Timing is everything, right now might not be the time, plus remember they are all about redemption, not killing hosts. I'd love to see a scene where Sir Waldo logically and genitally talks Marcone into giving up his coin..
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