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Murphy (BG spoilers) (also some thoughts on the book overall)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 16, 2020, 03:44:36 PM ---She didn't fit the profile for a Valkyrie, but she does and did then for an Einherjar.
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Who said she did not? She got an offer while alive. She only fitted the Einherjar profile after dead and they did not even offer it to her, she got drafted.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 16, 2020, 04:21:15 PM ---Who said she did not? She got an offer while alive. She only fitted the Einherjar profile after dead and they did not even offer it to her, she got drafted.
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No, she fitted the Einherjar profile all of her life, that is what Gard said. She told Harry not to argue with her because it is her job to know.
Gard told Murphy when she asked if they were hiring..
--- Quote ---You don’t really fit the employee profile.”
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What she is saying, is Murphy cannot be a Valkyrie.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 16, 2020, 04:30:52 PM --- No, she fitted the Einherjar profile all of her life, that is what Gard said. She told Harry not to argue with her because it is her job to know.
Gard told Murphy when she asked if they were hiring..
What she is saying, is Murphy cannot be a Valkyrie.
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Einherjar don't get a job offer, they just get drafted without any further notice. And they only fit the profile when they die.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 16, 2020, 03:25:17 PM ---
Perhaps at Marcone's office, the same job, security, and Murphy did work for Marcone for a time. But that is Gard's secondary job in the guise of security, like Odin is Vadderung, Kringle etc.. Her main job as a Valkyrie, is selecting worthy warriors who die a warrior's death to become Einherjar, and take them to Valhalla..
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In the bit I quoted, Gard is asking directly and explicitly of Murphy wants to work for Monoc Securities, by word and name.
There is none of the ambiguity you are trying to attribute to it.
Gard is asking Murphy if Murphy wants to work for Gard's boss -- Odin -- in the same position that Gard herself has -- as a "security consultant" valkyrie.
I don't understand why you're fighting this so hard when the book is crystal clear.
--- Quote ---Battle Ground, Harry finds Murphy gone and where the body was is a mark, the Symbol of Odin.
Gard explains..
That is pretty clear, Murphy and Hendricks picked up to be Einherjar.. She also says that she had limited intellectus,in order to know Murphy's deeds in life. Don't think that was offered to Murphy. And finally Gard says;
Clearly Valhalla, celebrated as an Einherjar warrior, not a newly minted Valkyrie.
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Yes, I am aware that Murphy was picked up as an Einherjar in this book. That is, again, direct and explicit. I am not arguing that Murphy is now a Valkyrie.
What I am arguing is that she could have been a Valkyrie if she had so chosen. She did not choose that, and is now an Einherjar, but the argument that her being a Valkyrie was not possible and never offered is explicitly contradicted directly by the text.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 16, 2020, 04:30:52 PM --- No, she fitted the Einherjar profile all of her life, that is what Gard said. She told Harry not to argue with her because it is her job to know.
Gard told Murphy when she asked if they were hiring..
What she is saying, is Murphy cannot be a Valkyrie.
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Arjan just quoted that exact passage. It's from Small Favor and Gard is talking to Harry in a scene where Murphy is not present.
magnuskn:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 15, 2020, 10:41:47 PM ---She also calls Odin "Allfather" So he is, that might be why she jokingly said he likes them to call him "daddy" sometime. A lot less formal, I agree she isn't a virgin, but I think it could go either way as to whether or not Odin is her father.
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"Allfather" is basically his job title, it's widely used in the Marvel Comics version of him as well and I can tell you that the Valkyries are not his daughters over there.
As far as the discussion above, she was picked up as an Einherjar, there is nothing which says she can't "upgrade", if offered.
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