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Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]

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Mira:

--- Quote from: StrayDog on October 10, 2020, 08:34:29 PM ---You've touched on my initial point. This is all assuming Butters needs to be a Knight by the end of SG. I would rather Murphy was the wieldier of the sword of Faith and Butters stayed the resourceful one fighting with his brains and raw nerve.

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Murphy's problem is she never could reconcile herself to the basic rules of the Swords.  A Knight's job isn't to judge or execute, but to give the coin holder a chance to give up the coin and seek redemption.  I think Butters is okay with that, he has always had an open mind.

No, he didn't gain his peak in Dead Beat, he only further proved what he did when he took a demotion and spent time in a mental hospital rather than take back what he witnessed on the table in the morgue.  As Michael said, it isn't about the blade, maybe even not about a great fighter, it is the mind and the heart behind it.

TrueMonk:
My main frustration is that everyone who jumped fast where described "like being pulled by wires". And the seven or so references to Butters really having improved due to his knight training.

Personally every single book Jim has written has been perfect for me except PT and BG. But at least for me, doing some work while going through personal problems that makes it take six times longer than normal does not improve the end result.

If some people cannot handle a single bad duology in a series of 25 books then my guess is 25 book long series are not your thing.

On a similar note, few people seem to agree on what should have been different except in very general terms. E.g. Someone suggested Murphy should have died off screen while I found that scene particular scene to be perfect and would have thought her dying off screen would be horrible.

I wish that there had been more time for editing and beta reading input implementation. But it is also my guess that not publishing for six years (or something) reduces your bargaining power significantly. Imagine of they had decided, ok one more rewrite and it would not have been published this year. I would also guess that at some point it has been rewritten so much that the author cannot do it anymore.

TrueMonk:
Also, I did not really think anything about Butters being with two girls before reading people's reactions here on the forum. Ok, so we have a good guy who is not in a normal relationship, but in a triangle. I mainly paid attention to that Harry managed to shut up and not make fun of him.

Borrowing a page from the person answering about people star wars background; is it because you are not used to anything but traditional couples?

The main complaint I read is that it is because they think Jim is trying to make Butters cooler. But he was already with what I guess is the hottest mortal in the series in a conventional cool guy sense(a very athletic redhead with big breasts). Does it really add that much that there is another girl?

If I had to say what it gives to the story I would say Jim is underlining that the knights do not have to be traditional Christians in yet another way. I approve of that because he has already shown the perfect Christian classic knight in Micheal.

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: TrueMonk on October 11, 2020, 12:43:55 AM ---If some people cannot handle a single bad duology in a series of 25 books then my guess is 25 book long series are not your thing.
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I'm sure Jim will continue to be successful with or without my approval. But just out of curiosity could you name a series with 25 books that has an over arching back story? I'm currently bored to tears.

On Butters.  You miss the intent of the threesome even though it is in your reply.

TrueMonk:
I know it is not really the same as 25 books, but wheel of time is at 4 million words and Dresden Files is at around 2 million currently. ( I only used one source for each so I could be wrong)

https://sites.google.com/site/batuhanswebsitecom/wheel-of-time
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.reddit.com/r/dresdenfiles/comments/29lhkq/word_count_for_all_books/&ved=2ahUKEwizzNL1sKvsAhUE_CoKHYPPAg4QFjAAegQIEhAB&usg=AOvVaw3eyBi2eG9HYwCr5j2cWrdN

I am only one third through wheel of time, but from what I can read it is widely accepted that a couple of the middle ones are not so good. I think it is just very unlikely to write 25 good books in a row, regardless of whether they have an overarching story or not. So of one bad book is enough to stop you from read the rest of the series then my guess would be you would never get to no. 25.

But now I read it as being bored with more than just the single book, then I guess there is not much hope.

On Butters, I reread my post, but I cannot figure out what you mean.

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