The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 22, 2020, 02:14:47 AM ---Is there a WOJ to that? That would be weird to me, considering free will sort of is part of our nature, it's what defines mortals in Dresdenverse.
Using free will as against of own nature in this regard is weird.
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It's basically what Uriel says in The Warrior short story. Harry comments that Uriel's statement sounds a lot like predestination. Uriel responds that free will is very seldomly used. There's certainly WoJ on what free will is, but I don't have any specific one in mind.
The ability to exercise free will is what defines mortals in the Dresdenverse. The use of that ability is different than possession of that ability. Uriel says the use is rare.
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 22, 2020, 02:14:47 AM ---But why do we assume there is not like basic universe where Harry did X?
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Because if there was, then free will is greatly cheapened, and the whole point of my theory/head canon is to avoid that.
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 22, 2020, 02:14:47 AM ---Also - overall it seems to me Dresden had not done anything against his very character in GP.
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I agree, but we'd have to know what decision was made in the mirrorverse to start making good guesses as to what the different options were.
It might be that every time Harry should be down and out for the count and he gets back up to win the day, that's him exercising his free will. And Harry does that at least once a book. Often times more. Maybe we're watching a Harry who makes Choices left and right, so it seems that his defiance of the odds and grim determination is him acting in accordance with his nature, but it's him exercising free will.
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 22, 2020, 02:14:47 AM ---But then you seems to consider that you "exercise" free will only when you act against yourself.
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Not against yourself, but against your nature. Acting against your nature isn't the same thing as acting against yourself. Acting in accordance with your nature is often detrimental. An addict acting against his nature is a very good thing.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---Because if there was, then free will is greatly cheapened, and the whole point of my theory/head canon is to avoid that.
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Is it? I mean if any time free will can be used - all possible itterations creates new universe then it seems logical one of those itterations is - ABSTAIN from using it - and going with the flow. Not doing something when you can is ALSO a choice in itself.
You can choice to swim against the flow... or with it.
TBH very well choice Dresden did in Grave Peril was exactly NATURAL choice - in accord of what we know of his inner mechanisms, but he could... well betray himself.
--- Quote ---The ability to exercise free will is what defines mortals in the Dresdenverse. The use of that ability is different than possession of that ability. Uriel says the use is rare.
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Indeed, but he also point to several uses of it by Dresden alone in "Warrior".
So "seldom" used by him does not seems to be "rare" - just well - way less often that people thinks.
--- Quote ---Not against yourself, but against your nature. Acting against your nature isn't the same thing as acting against yourself. Acting in accordance with your nature is often detrimental. An addict acting against his nature is a very good thing.
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That's quite odd definition of nature, I have to say.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 24, 2020, 08:59:06 AM ---That's quite odd definition of nature, I have to say.
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I would say acting against your nature is acting against your emotional makeup, against your instincts. It is based on the idea that animals (and supernatural beings) have only instincts and never act against their nature while humans are unique in having a soul, free will (and maybe superior intelligence) and can act against their animal base instinct because of higher motivations and because they want to be more than their animal self.
Basically human exceptionalism. And then the white council decides who is human. Kincaid takes offense.
morriswalters:
Harry has chosen how he would live. Making choices which damage that perception of self would change him for the worse.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on November 24, 2020, 01:22:36 PM ---Harry has chosen how he would live. Making choices which damage that perception of self would change him for the worse.
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I agree with that, it is that perception of himself which makes up the strength of his will.
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