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Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 20, 2020, 12:23:03 PM ---But in that world, not the one you belong in.. Also you are assuming that Harry would make a different choice in the mirror world, Harry remains who he is, in both worlds. The effects on others might be different, but at the core, Harry is who he is. In Mirror Mirror, while the Kirk in the other world was evil, Kirk remained who he was in both worlds.
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If Mirror Harry made a important free willed choice different from our Harry then he will be a different Harry. That kind of choices are the choices that shape your soul. That is why the butters tried to stop Harry when he tried to kill Rudolph, that choice would have resulted in a different Harry.
That is why a wizard who breaks the law is not the same wizard anymore. Sure he has free will and he sometimes can come back but he will be marked by that decision.
So the mirror Harry became evil. Our Harry made different choices so he is a different Harry whatever world he is.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 20, 2020, 05:18:44 AM ---How do you get an evil Harry out of that? Yes, "The City on the Edge of Forever" is about changing one event, even with the best of intentions can have evil consequences. However none of the characters in the story were evil. McCoy, Kirk, Spock, or Edith Keeler were evil, on the contrary, Edith was rather saintly and ahead of her time in many of her ideas. That was the problem, when McCoy saved her life she was able to convince those in power to carry through with her ideas. That in of itself wasn't evil, but it made it impossible to fight effectively the great evil brewing at the time, Hitler, thus Hitler wins the war which destroys the future for everyone. Or if Earth still survive, it could never evolve into becoming a member of the Federation of Planets. The moral of that episode could be "the road to hell is often paved with the best of intentions.."
I also have a problem with the idea of an evil Harry as tempting at it is to so many. First of all, is it Harry observing an evil version of himself? If it is, I think that violates some basic laws of time travel. Now it could be that it does happen sending serious ripples of time out everywhere really screwing things up. If it is Harry himself that goes all dark, is he aware of it? And if he is dark, why would he want to change, or go back to where he belongs for that matter?
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I get Evil Harry because it's cool and I like it.
Dina:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 20, 2020, 05:00:23 PM ---If Mirror Harry made a important free willed choice different from our Harry then he will be a different Harry. That kind of choices are the choices that shape your soul. That is why the butters tried to stop Harry when he tried to kill Rudolph, that choice would have resulted in a different Harry.
That is why a wizard who breaks the law is not the same wizard anymore. Sure he has free will and he sometimes can come back but he will be marked by that decision.
So the mirror Harry became evil. Our Harry made different choices so he is a different Harry whatever world he is.
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I agree every choice changes the person. I don't think that our Harry can change to be someone as evil as MM seems to be just because one decision. Or two. It has to be really slippery. So, again I hope it is that his choice did not made him evil but more vulnerable to external corruption and that is what make him evil (probably a Denarian??)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Dina on November 20, 2020, 08:47:39 PM ---I agree every choice changes the person. I don't think that our Harry can change to be someone as evil as MM seems to be just because one decision. Or two. It has to be really slippery. So, again I hope it is that his choice did not made him evil but more vulnerable to external corruption and that is what make him evil (probably a Denarian??)
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It is more like every choice in a certain direction makes the next choice in that direction easier and the opposite choice more difficult, especially if magic is involved.
Also we have seen Harry's condition after Grave Peril and that was when he saved Susan from an even worse fate, she could escape and handle her condition. If he had made the choice the white council had liked him to make and sacrificed Susan for "Peace" his condition would have been much worse.
And Harry is capable of making very bad decisions in such a condition.
Dina:
That is true
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