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Anyone else... disappointed? [PT/BG spoilers]
Dina:
Which is precisely what I don't like. So far, nothing in the books gave me the impression that he is so easily corrupted as he fears.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---Which is precisely what I don't like. So far, nothing in the books gave me the impression that he is so easily corrupted as he fears.
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That's why Butcher puts tipping point 15 years earlier, so there's time to slowly, slowly push him - not making it look too easy or cheap.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on November 19, 2020, 07:19:48 PM ---Mirror Mirror was never about free will and choice. It was a fun look at an evil Trek universe. The episode you offer is about decision making. And very subtly is taking issue with how Spock was constructed as a character. The only episode that dealt with choice and free will was The City On The Edge Of Forever. It looked at how changing one event with the best of intentions creates great evil over time. I like the idea of an evil Harry.
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How do you get an evil Harry out of that? Yes, "The City on the Edge of Forever" is about changing one event, even with the best of intentions can have evil consequences. However none of the characters in the story were evil. McCoy, Kirk, Spock, or Edith Keeler were evil, on the contrary, Edith was rather saintly and ahead of her time in many of her ideas. That was the problem, when McCoy saved her life she was able to convince those in power to carry through with her ideas. That in of itself wasn't evil, but it made it impossible to fight effectively the great evil brewing at the time, Hitler, thus Hitler wins the war which destroys the future for everyone. Or if Earth still survive, it could never evolve into becoming a member of the Federation of Planets. The moral of that episode could be "the road to hell is often paved with the best of intentions.."
I also have a problem with the idea of an evil Harry as tempting at it is to so many. First of all, is it Harry observing an evil version of himself? If it is, I think that violates some basic laws of time travel. Now it could be that it does happen sending serious ripples of time out everywhere really screwing things up. If it is Harry himself that goes all dark, is he aware of it? And if he is dark, why would he want to change, or go back to where he belongs for that matter?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 20, 2020, 05:18:44 AM ---How do you get an evil Harry out of that? Yes, "The City on the Edge of Forever" is about changing one event, even with the best of intentions can have evil consequences. However none of the characters in the story were evil. McCoy, Kirk, Spock, or Edith Keeler were evil, on the contrary, Edith was rather saintly and ahead of her time in many of her ideas. That was the problem, when McCoy saved her life she was able to convince those in power to carry through with her ideas. That in of itself wasn't evil, but it made it impossible to fight effectively the great evil brewing at the time, Hitler, thus Hitler wins the war which destroys the future for everyone. Or if Earth still survive, it could never evolve into becoming a member of the Federation of Planets. The moral of that episode could be "the road to hell is often paved with the best of intentions.."
I also have a problem with the idea of an evil Harry as tempting at it is to so many. First of all, is it Harry observing an evil version of himself? If it is, I think that violates some basic laws of time travel. Now it could be that it does happen sending serious ripples of time out everywhere really screwing things up. If it is Harry himself that goes all dark, is he aware of it? And if he is dark, why would he want to change, or go back to where he belongs for that matter?
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The mirror thing has nothing to do with time travel. The river has split up but you don’t move upstream, you move sidewards.
And the whole thing is about Harry making different choices.
Compare with how A wizard can have become a warlock which in the dresdenverse can be the result of only one bad choice. A choice that opens up new pathways and closes others. A choice that can look tempting at times.
A free willed choice of that magnitude, the mirror world creating magnitude, especially with magic involved changes who you are and is difficult to reverse.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 20, 2020, 06:30:26 AM ---The mirror thing has nothing to do with time travel. The river has split up but you don’t move upstream, you move sidewards.
And the whole thing is about Harry making different choices.
Compare with how A wizard can have become a warlock which in the dresdenverse can be the result of only one bad choice. A choice that opens up new pathways and closes others. A choice that can look tempting at times.
A free willed choice of that magnitude, the mirror world creating magnitude, especially with magic involved changes who you are and is difficult to reverse.
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But in that world, not the one you belong in.. Also you are assuming that Harry would make a different choice in the mirror world, Harry remains who he is, in both worlds. The effects on others might be different, but at the core, Harry is who he is. In Mirror Mirror, while the Kirk in the other world was evil, Kirk remained who he was in both worlds.
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