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Battle Ground spoilers: Harry’s pairing. What do you think?
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on October 21, 2020, 05:50:56 PM ---Has anyone considered that the marriage is a way to redeem the White Court? Mab has a long-term plan for them, and the marriage is part of it.
We need to know more about the origin of the White Court, it must tie into the predecessor beings of the Queens of Faerie.
Besides Lara has to comply with this old charm on her wedding day, and wear:-
Something old,
Something new,
Something borrowed,
Something blue.
There is likely plenty old she can wear, Etruscan? Something new jewellery of some kind as a gift. Something borrowed, most likely from Mab, (and that is going to bite her) something blue? Carlos Testicles?
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I don't know about redeeming the entire White Court. However, the last time I reread White Night; specifically Harry's final conversation with Lash, and even more specifically, when Harry had an epiphany that the Black Court of vampires has a connection with the Outsiders, instead of wondering what that connection might be, I started thinking about the other vampire courts.
The Red King was the progenitor of the Red Court, but what created him? Seeing as the Red Court is most likely totally dead and gone we may never find out or perhaps it will get mentioned in passing. More important and I think more interesting is the creation of the White Court. Uriel told Harry at the end of Ghost Story that the road of a White Court vampire was a difficult one. Something about being mortal but having the difficulties of immortality. Lately, I have been thinking that Uriel was hinting at something. Perhaps the creation of the White Court wasn't a cosmic accident. Perhaps they were created with a purpose in mind. A purpose so important that it was worth gifting them with the monstrous tendencies their demon gives them. I think they were meant to keep the other vampire courts in check, back when mortals had only a very limited ability to do this themselves. So it might be possible that Lara could be redeemed, though I'm not betting on that happening.
There is one other factor that could possibly change Lara Raith or any White Court vampire, though not necessarily for the better. What I'm thinking about could go either way. Harry has a proven ability to change the nature of some supernatural creatures by giving them names, or more accurately, by renaming them. So far, Harry has referred to Lara as Pheromone Lass in one book and as an apex sexual predator in Peace Talks. Neither of these names has stuck as a nickname. It seems that Harry will be spending a lot more time with Lara, which increases the chance he will come up with a nickname for her. If Lara starts to respond to that name you will know it is having an effect.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't know about redeeming the entire White Court. However, the last time I reread White Night; specifically Harry's final conversation with Lash, and even more specifically, when Harry had an epiphany that the Black Court of vampires has a connection with the Outsiders, instead of wondering what that connection might be, I started thinking about the other vampire courts.
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Didn't that go the same for the White Court? Vittorio was possessed, Justine, though vanilla mortal but has close contact with the White Court, she is possessed. Something very empty nightish possesses Lord Raith and keeps him from being killed by magic, but though the hints scream Nemesis/Outsider, Jim hasn't told us yet.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 21, 2020, 08:36:17 PM ---She may value family once her rivals are dead.
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She only stood up to Lord Raith because he didn't value family. If you think Lara doesn't value family, I'd suggest rereading Ch. 41 of BR starting with the line where Harry says "He was my blood."
--- Quote from: Mira on October 22, 2020, 03:15:07 PM ---Didn't that go the same for the White Court? Vittorio was possessed, Justine, though vanilla mortal but has close contact with the White Court, she is possessed. Something very empty nightish possesses Lord Raith and keeps him from being killed by magic, but though the hints scream Nemesis/Outsider, Jim hasn't told us yet.
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That's just members of the White Court. We can be fairly certain that the whole White Court isn't subject to Outsiders as there have been repeated Outsider infiltrations and power plays there.
It's the entirety of the Black Court.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---when Harry had an epiphany that the Black Court of vampires has a connection with the Outsiders, instead of wondering what that connection might be, I started thinking about the other vampire courts.
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Could you quote this part about Black Court. I cannot remember it.
--- Quote ---The Red King was the progenitor of the Red Court, but what created him?
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My bet is - Red King started as a result of some ancient wizard experiments with something like hexenwofs but linked to bat-vampire bestialic aspect rather than wolf. Some fort of mix of ancient totemism and shapeshifting with demon, not necessary Outsiders cult. Then he was able to pass this demon through infection, just like WC pass their demons to their children. Sort of like permanently active hexenbelt in your blood.
But then of course Red Court summoned Outsiders to fight White Council so...
--- Quote ---A purpose so important that it was worth gifting them with the monstrous tendencies their demon gives them. I think they were meant to keep the other vampire courts in check, back when mortals had only a very limited ability to do this themselves. So it might be possible that Lara could be redeemed, though I'm not betting on that happening.
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Dunno. Overall they seem to be too corrupted as whole, with too little of them redeemable.
Not to mention - Black Court is rather way younger (Dracula founded them), only Reds from mayor ones had as ancient origin like Whites, maybe even older.
So doubt. I think White Court is what is it - someone once made a bad mistake of cursing someone with generational curse or linking demon to own bloodline and it went from there. I think in the end it's quite simple pattern. And even naagloshii considered Lara as a mere phage.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on October 26, 2020, 10:02:23 AM ---Could you quote this part about Black Court. I cannot remember it.
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But then of course Red Court summoned Outsiders to fight White Council so...
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--- Quote ---[Harry thinking at Lash]After which, we were going to have a long talk about my mother and these Outsiders and their relation to the Black Court and exactly what the hell was going on.
Lasciel-Lash, rather-nodded once and said, "I will tell you all that I can, Harry."
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Harry's stated explanation was that mortal allies were summoning Outsiders for the Red Court. He could have been wrong.
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