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Did Mab break her word to Harry in Battle Ground?

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vultur:

--- Quote from: Thana†os on October 01, 2020, 02:07:32 AM ---in my PDF it's

Changes - pg 446

"...And you give me your word you will never command me to lift my hand against those I love."

Thougn Mab never expressly agreed to it. But could be considered part of the agreement since it was noted as a condition of his acceptance.

--- End quote ---

Hmm. So I wonder how she could say that at all. "The stars shall fall from the sky when Mab keeps not her word" IIRC.

Possibly there is some trick involving it being a conditional order - "Should I fall". IE it's not really an order until Mab is dead, and therefore breaking her word is impossible/irrelevant?

Thana†os:
That's actually a good point.

Plus, I wonder if the order of a dead queen is still binding...

and it could also have been more of a dire warning than an actual order. By ordering it, Mab is putting it in Harry's head and knows that he is going to look into the reason for her order.

forumghost:
Or it could be that it would have counted as that Favour Harry still owes her, and is not covered by his conditions for accepting the position of Winter Knight.

Harry is bad at this thinking stuff. He should concentrate on making things a'splode.

Mira:


   Perhaps she is arguing for the greater good, should she fall, Molly isn't ready to be Queen, bad stuff will happen.  But why couldn't Molly acknowledge that and step aside and let the mantle go to Lea?

Dragen3:
Harry said that if Mab forced him (I.E. Geas like why Fix and Lilly could not choose to help Dresden directly) to follow an order he would follow her order but would be maliciously compliant requiring her direct supervision at all times and become practically useless to her.

Which is not quite the same as convincing her to make a binding promise not to give orders of that nature.

I am guessing that the way Titania bound Lilly and Fix works a lot like the Winter Law Voice thing Molly used on the Driver. Presumably it is the sort of thing that has to be  intentional and protection from that sort of thing is effectively what Dresden received with his mediocre knight threat.

What Mab says to Dresden in Battle Grounds has the option of being ignored by Dreaden, hence the "... you would be wise to follow" part of her statement.

Either she is not trying to magically bind him for some reason (could be respect of Dresden or honoring her implied agreement to not order him to raise his hand against those he loved) or she can not bind him to her will in this case (either she knows any binding will not survive her death or she actually can not because the forces that control Fae interactions recognized Dresden Terms for being her Knight as spirtually binding). Although it is possible their is something else going on there that I do not have enough pieces to put together.

However I do not think Mab broke her word to Dresden with the commentary about Killing Molly Carpenter. However I do think she may have damaged some of the feelings of actual loyalty and trust that he seems to be developing, although considering she is almost certainly aware of the possibility of damaging his respect for her with that exchange it does suggest something about how bad she thinks it could get if Molly became the Queen.

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