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Rudolph's evidence doesn't make sense
Mira:
--- Quote ---Harry committed 2 crimes, at least in Chicago. Breaking and entering and felony murder. Harry and everybody involved in the robbery. The accountant is the least of their worries. When the guard was killed, their fate was sealed, if the police connect the dots.
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Then homicide investigates, not IA. IA can be kept quiet, covered up, and used for blackmail, it is a in house investigation, no one was working for the police department at the time.. Homicide investigations lead to grand juries, indictments, charges, arrests, public trials, prison sentences or acquittal, no real use to Rudy.
--- Quote ---Murphy wasn't at the robbery and so committed no crime, she was in a hospital. Neither can they place her at the scene when the accountant was killed, because again, she wasn't there.
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Again, that's the whole point, she is the only one that ever was a policeman, but she hasn't been for a number of years.. So it doesn't make any sense does it? Especially since Rudy's partner was totally clueless as to why their department was doing the investigation.. Harry and Murphy weren't even part of the police department when all this supposedly happened in the first place.
morriswalters:
I agree about IA, but that is more a jurisdictional thing. Otherwise a cop is a cop is a cop.
But this is Jim writing horseshit.
--- Quote ---Karrin snorted. “We were there, and we’re lying to the police about it. That would get us put away for a while all by itself. But our DNA was at the scene, and they might turn up eyewitnesses who saw us on the street or find more images from a camera somewhere. Or . . .” “Or someone could make some more evidence happen,” I said.
Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 49). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 28, 2020, 07:07:37 PM ---I agree about IA, but that is more a jurisdictional thing. Otherwise a cop is a cop is a cop.
But this is Jim writing horseshit.
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I agree, it does seem like horseshit, unless it is laying down the groundwork for black mail at some point in Battle Ground or in some other future book. While it is true, a cop is a cop, if a former cop does wrong, internal affairs isn't meant to investigate the now civilian cop, because they investigate wrong doing with in the force. It is like being an Army veteran living as a civilian for the last ten years, not even a reserve. You are suspected of committing a crime that has nothing what so ever to do with the Army.. Yet because you are a veteran, the Army decides to do a court marshal investigation of you because you were Army once..
Bad Alias:
I'd like to remind everyone that I'm primarily arguing that Harry and Murphy shouldn't talk to the cops about February of whatever year SG takes place, much less tell Tilly everything that happened. Whether or not they are guilty, that's a good idea. I'm saying this because I believe any decent lawyer could put them into a world of hurt for what they did.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 28, 2020, 12:01:54 AM ---Murphy wasn't at the robbery and so committed no crime, she was in a hospital.
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I'm not a criminal lawyer in Chicago, but a decent prosecutor could get her on some theory of accomplice liability and/or criminal conspiracy. Murphy was part of the criminal conspiracy.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 28, 2020, 12:01:54 AM ---Murphy wasn't at the robbery and so committed no crime, she was in a hospital.
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She loaded all the magazines for the submachine guns. Unless she wore gloves, her fingerprints and possibly DNA are there. Of course, loading magazines isn't a crime. That alone probably isn't enough for a conviction. It is enough for the cops to connect her and investigate.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 28, 2020, 12:01:54 AM ---Having the diamonds isn't a crime, since they weren't stolen in this Universe.
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I'm just going to leave a left wing link about civil asset forfeiture abuse: https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/asset-forfeiture-abuse, and a right wing one: https://www.cato.org/events/policing-profit-abuse-civil-asset-forfeiture.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 28, 2020, 12:01:54 AM ---And to confiscate them they would first need to know about them. Harry has a vault supreme and it would be a slick piece of writing to have Rudy obtain a search warrant on Demonreach since first, it isn't on any map and second it isn't in Chicago.
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That's why you gotta move the diamonds and hire a lawyer before the indictment comes down.
@Mira: It doesn't matter one lick which department investigated you when they find evidence of the crime.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 28, 2020, 08:52:53 PM ---It is like being an Army veteran living as a civilian for the last ten years, not even a reserve. You are suspected of committing a crime that has nothing what so ever to do with the Army.. Yet because you are a veteran, the Army decides to do a court marshal investigation of you because you were Army once.
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It is almost nothing like that. IA and Homicide are departments of a municipal agency. They have the exact same jurisdiction. They just have different briefs. The Army can only prosecute those in the military. The DoJ basically has global jurisdiction with limited subject matter jurisdiction.
It's more like the FBI Cyber Crime guys investigating a civil rights violation. So what? It's weird and all, but it doesn't make any legal difference. Once the investigation reaches a certain point, they're going to turn the case over to the same US Attorney's office for prosecution.
The point is to alert the reader to the weirdness.
Mira:
Oh but it does, you have to examine the motives for how the investigation was coming about. Because if IA wants to, it can do it quietly and hush it all up, keep the infor for later and blackmail..
That's the point Jim was trying to make and why it was so weird to everyone concerned except for Rudy. He was pulling a lot of the evidence out of his rear end.
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