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Do the Wardens have any 'heavy hitters' left? [Some PT Spoilers]
Conspiracy Theorist:
Lara a was fighting the Kraken not to protect Harry, but Thomas and made that expressly clear. Repeatedly.
I am surprised the Wardens didn’t recruit some of the older guys, like Klaus the Toymaker who apparently was active during WW2, a mere 80 years before his appearance in Summer Knight. He should be young enough to take the field, and what he could do with a hula hoop would make Ethnui regret invading Chicago.
Indeed if one is familiar with UK Sitcom “Dads Army” set in WW2 about the British Homeguard, I can easily see this transposed to the Dresdenverse with elderly Wizards like Klaus, as a group of elderly, bumbling but deadly old men called back into service. They drafted the younger Wardens for service in the field, why not some of the older guys to replace them protecting Edinburgh?. Arthur Langtry would make an excellent Captain Mainwearing. Indeed it would be prudent for The Merlin to bolster the ranks of the Wardens with more Wizards closer his age, and he may have, the young Wardens were sequestered by a group of non Warden allies of The Merlin at one point when Edinburgh went lockdown.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Lara a was fighting the Kraken not to protect Harry, but Thomas and made that expressly clear. Repeatedly.
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Does it really matter what her motives were? Her and Harry are on the same side in this, and if she
had elected to stay out of the fight it might not have turned out as well, even with Molly showing up.
--- Quote ---I am surprised the Wardens didn’t recruit some of the older guys, like Klaus the Toymaker who apparently was active during WW2, a mere 80 years before his appearance in Summer Knight. He should be young enough to take the field, and what he could do with a hula hoop would make Ethnui regret invading Chicago.
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Harder to indoctrinate the older, the older members are set in their ways.
--- Quote ---Indeed if one is familiar with UK Sitcom “Dads Army” set in WW2 about the British Homeguard, I can easily see this transposed to the Dresdenverse with elderly Wizards like Klaus, as a group of elderly, bumbling but deadly old men called back into service. They drafted the younger Wardens for service in the field, why not some of the older guys to replace them protecting Edinburgh?. Arthur Langtry would make an excellent Captain Mainwearing. Indeed it would be prudent for The Merlin to bolster the ranks of the Wardens with more Wizards closer his age, and he may have, the young Wardens were sequestered by a group of non Warden allies of The Merlin at one point when Edinburgh went lockdown.
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They may already have, there is a reason why the Merlin, himself didn't make an appearance at something as important as the peace talks.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 13, 2020, 08:42:58 PM ---Yes. If we learned anything from Cold Case it's that Molly's own wants come second to Winter Law. (See: inability to tell Carlos what she was up to) I flinched when I saw Harry make an open-ended "I'll owe you one" deal with the Winter Lady. That was a spectacularly stupid unforced error, which will almost certainly come back to bite him in the rear.
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Unforced error?
Harry owes Molly his loyalty/fealty. That's like owing her 1000.
And he now also owes her one.
Not really a relevant addition, all things considered.
KurtinStGeorge:
What Harry does not understand and what Molly certainly does, is the nature of the Winter Lady's job. It may be a necessary role for Molly to play, but it has a real ugly side to it, as we saw in the short story Cold Case. Harry knows that Winter maintains a huge army at the Outer Gates to fight off Outsider incursions, but he has no idea how Winter recruits its soldiers.
While it's possible that the payoff Molly asks Harry to perform will have little or nothing to do with her Winter Lady duties, there's a fairly high probability that it will. Harry will not understand why Molly asks him for this particular action; and depending on Winter Law, she might not be able to give Harry an explanation that would satisfy him, but it will probably be something that is odious in Harry's eyes; like helping to steal children from parents who don't want to live up to their obligations to Winter. Perhaps the only thing that Molly could tell Harry was that it was necessary.
There's a line from an episode of Babylon 5 where a perplexed character says of a reply they received from a questioned they asked, "That was a stirring reply, Citizen G'Kar. Unfortunately, while all answers are replies, not all replies are answers." Molly telling Harry that doing something that he sees as a terrible thing to do, is necessary, isn't going to make him feel any better about himself, Molly or Winter in general. Whatever Molly asks in return for the favor that she granted Harry is going to carry a high price tag in return. After all, her favor saved Harry's life, the payment will have to be commensurate with that.
Mira:
--- Quote ---There's a line from an episode of Babylon 5 where a perplexed character says of a reply they received from a questioned they asked, "That was a stirring reply, Citizen G'Kar. Unfortunately, while all answers are replies, not all replies are answers." Molly telling Harry that doing something that he sees as a terrible thing to do, is necessary, isn't going to make him feel any better about himself, Molly or Winter in general. Whatever Molly asks in return for the favor that she granted Harry is going to carry a high price tag in return. After all, her favor saved Harry's life, the payment will have to be commensurate with that.
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Maybe, or she could ask Harry to tell the truth about her to her father and mother.
--- Quote ---What Harry does not understand and what Molly certainly does, is the nature of the Winter Lady's job. It may be a necessary role for Molly to play, but it has a real ugly side to it, as we saw in the short story Cold Case. Harry knows that Winter maintains a huge army at the Outer Gates to fight off Outsider incursions, but he has no idea how Winter recruits its soldiers.
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I think Harry understands more than you think, he has been to the Gates. He trusts Molly a lot more than he trusts Mab or even Lea. However Harry may be fooling himself, not fully understanding what the mantle is doing to Molly. Then again he knows what his mantle has done to him. Molly was straight with him though, that is what is important, Mab has been too damaged, she has forgotten how to play it straight, even with those who normally would be on her side.
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