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Do the Wardens have any 'heavy hitters' left? [Some PT Spoilers]
Mira:
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 13, 2020, 08:42:58 PM ---Yes. If we learned anything from Cold Case it's that Molly's own wants come second to Winter Law. (See: inability to tell Carlos what she was up to) I flinched when I saw Harry make an open-ended "I'll owe you one" deal with the Winter Lady. That was a spectacularly stupid unforced error, which will almost certainly come back to bite him in the rear.
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Perhaps, but then again he knew he'd have to fight Eb to get Thomas away. He also knew that Eb could wipe the floor with him. Now Harry might be able to make a double of himself with time and materials but he had neither, so Molly was the best of several bad choices.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Both Harry and Thomas survived, success, and Harry won the game in Eb’s head, Eb will never be able to take him on like that ever again. double success.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 13, 2020, 08:42:58 PM ---Yes. If we learned anything from Cold Case it's that Molly's own wants come second to Winter Law. (See: inability to tell Carlos what she was up to) I flinched when I saw Harry make an open-ended "I'll owe you one" deal with the Winter Lady. That was a spectacularly stupid unforced error, which will almost certainly come back to bite him in the rear.
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Maybe but we also have seen that the Sidhe have some flexibility in how to balance the scales. Molly is still on Harry's side and that does make a difference. They do not always want to trick you. Molly did not have to warn Harry about it.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Avernite on September 13, 2020, 05:00:23 PM ---It could even serve as a source of tension, when she finds out Molly Carpenter is no more, and Molly the Winter Lady now deals in mostly bad faith like all the Fae (except to their vassals, like Harry).
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She was showing some reasons for concern in the summoning scene, but I don't think she's that far gone. In Christmas Eve after BG, she still seemed mostly human rather than mostly not, and Harry didn't seem to be carrying the kind of grudge against her that screwing over Karrin would have most definitely caused.
The "great health package" at Monoc has been foreshadowed enough that turning to Vadderung once she sees the trouble they're in seems like the most likely explanation for going from premature removal of a cast to fighting shape in a day.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on September 13, 2020, 09:46:15 PM ---Maybe but we also have seen that the Sidhe have some flexibility in how to balance the scales. Molly is still on Harry's side and that does make a difference. They do not always want to trick you. Molly did not have to warn Harry about it.
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Agreed, Molly also understood Harry's motives and agreed with them, but she is the Winter Lady now, she cannot do favors for free anymore, and she was upfront about that and Harry totally understood.
--- Quote ---Both Harry and Thomas survived, success, and Harry won the game in Eb’s head, Eb will never be able to take him on like that ever again. double success.
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True, because Harry chose to use his brains instead of pure brawn, but he will still owe a favor down the road to Molly. Whether or not he comes to regret that remains to be seen.
--- Quote ---She was showing some reasons for concern in the summoning scene, but I don't think she's that far gone. In Christmas Eve after BG, she still seemed mostly human rather than mostly not, and Harry didn't seem to be carrying the kind of grudge against her that screwing over Karrin would have most definitely caused.
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It is hard to say what is going on with Molly in Christmas Eve verses when Harry summoned her in Peace Talks. In Peace Talks it was against her will, or perhaps for the first time she realized she no longer had free will. However she'd have witnessed a lot like Harry in Battleground, that may account for her more human attitude, that and knowing what Harry had been through. Also she showed up on her own terms, that might also make a difference.
--- Quote ---The "great health package" at Monoc has been foreshadowed enough that turning to Vadderung once she sees the trouble they're in seems like the most likely explanation for going from premature removal of a cast to fighting shape in a day.
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Maybe but she wasn't exactly in fighting shape in the first chapter of Battleground. Again I find it odd that Harry gave Lara no credit for her assistance in fighting the kracken.
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