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vultur:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 10, 2020, 01:48:27 PM ---Is there? I think it is possible that some could chose to ignore it.
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There's a WOJ that they didn't inherit magic specifically because Charity stopped using her talent, though.
vultur:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 10, 2020, 06:43:32 AM ---@vulture. Oh but that's exactly what Uriel implied when he says"I just made you more of what you already are".
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I don't think that's really what Uriel means. I think he's speaking more metaphysically, about Soulfire being powered by your soul and therefore by What You Really Are on the deepest level... it's all part of the Free Will/Choice shaping your soul aspect of things that the Heaven/Hell conflict is focused on.
--- Quote ---I'm not sure hellfire counts the same as he didn't keep it, merely gained access to it, though I imagine as two sides of the same coin it's not unfeasible. So I see that as unlocking latent potential already there..
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Bob describes the Hellfire thing as being powered by a bit of Lasciel's energy in Harry's head, forming the Lash shadow (when they're discussing Lash's "death" at the end of WN). And the description of Bonea's origin also seems pretty clear that there was actually part of Lasciel's energy/essence in Harry's head.
I think the Winter Mantle is basically the same thing, just with more power and less consciousness (it has emotional effects but can't converse like Lash).
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote ---I don't think that's really what Uriel means. I think he's speaking more metaphysically, about Soulfire being powered by your soul and therefore by What You Really Are on the deepest level...
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🤔 that does not compute.. but if soul is What You Really Are, than the similarities are magnified by that. Angels are All soul, if soul is what you really are, then are you not an angel?
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 11, 2020, 03:10:02 AM ---🤔 that does not compute.. but if soul is What You Really Are, than the similarities are magnified by that. Angels are All soul, if soul is what you really are, then are you not an angel?
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There is a theory I believe that says humans are very like angels except for the free will.
--- Quote ---There's a WOJ that they didn't inherit magic specifically because Charity stopped using her talent, though.
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That doesn't make sense on a scientific level to begin with. Also by that logic Molly shouldn't have any talent either.
vultur:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 11, 2020, 03:10:02 AM ---🤔 that does not compute..
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I might not have phrased that right.
What I meant is that it's not "Soulfire doesn't give you any capabilities you didn't already have", but more like "Magic is already based on who you fundamentally are, even more than normal choices; using Soulfire takes that to an even greater degree".
--- Quote ---Angels are All soul, if soul is what you really are, then are you not an angel?
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Uriel says "You are a soul, you have a body" (which is a C. S. Lewis quote, IIRC).
Angels are only a soul, they don't even have bodies (as I understand it, Uriel's human form in SG was created for that special case, or transformed from his normal soul-stuff existence, or whatever).
--- Quote from: Mira on September 11, 2020, 06:17:09 AM ---That doesn't make sense on a scientific level to begin with.
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Not if the inheritance of magic is more environmental than genetic.
--- Quote --- Also by that logic Molly shouldn't have any talent either.
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WOJ on this:
https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-magic-in-the-dresden-files-part-2/
--- Quote ---what’s critical to this particular equation is the fact that Charity was consciously and deliberately neglecting her talent–which hadn’t been all THAT hot to begin with. She went through the time she got engaged to Michael, all the way through Molly’s term, all the intervening time, etc, before she got to Daniel. It had been more than two, maybe three years since she’d done anything with her magic by the time Daniel was conceived.
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--- Quote ---Charity was, essentially, stacking up environmental factors against her unborn children developing their genetic propensity for magic into a real, tangible gift to the point where the chances of them actually doing it were negligible.
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This is a case where the environmental influence overwhelms the genetic one.
The occasional patrilineal inheritance, eg Eb -> Maggie Sr, is presumably one where the prenatal environment was less important since Eb is an extremely strong talent so it would take much more to drop it "below threshold".
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