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Don't upset the mortals...
Blaise:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 03, 2020, 11:23:22 AM ---Build a Fat Man type Nuke, that would survive a super hex, but yes the arms industry would have to re-tool itself, at least Diesilpunk style or work with the Swartalves. Harry on his own could probably junk an entire modern army.
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A Fat Man nuke is highly dependent on electronics, it took 3 Nobel Prize winners, one for the design,one to make the explosive lenses, and one to design the electronics to trigger the explosives, to get the bomb made. Little Boy could be made with minimal electronics.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on September 03, 2020, 10:58:45 AM ---Exactly. Ethniu already wiped out the electronics. All those modern weapons and communications are useless without electricity. Can't use a nuke without it really.
And yes, once everyone is nice and distracted the real assault happens.
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Anything can be shielded, unless Jim is postulating some uber super weapon that killed the power world wide. And if anything away from Chicago was still functioning then they could vaporize major parts of the lake and kill anything in it. And keep hitting it until they ran out of weapons. Ol whats her name could take a multi century vacation to put together her pieces and parts, assuming any pieces and part were left.
Humans killed about 60 million other humans overall from 1935 to 1945. More then all the demons and dark gods killed in their heyday. And nukes were only involved in the final days in Japan. Wizards should weep in fear when it gets right down to it.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Blaise on September 03, 2020, 03:48:25 PM --- A Fat Man nuke is highly dependent on electronics, it took 3 Nobel Prize winners, one for the design,one to make the explosive lenses, and one to design the electronics to trigger the explosives, to get the bomb made. Little Boy could be made with minimal electronics.
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considering the fomor bombs, building a magical nuke might be feasible, you just need enough energy to smash an atom and the knowtof the intention. Wouldn't be easy, but not impossible I think.
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 03, 2020, 06:50:46 PM --- considering the fomor bombs, building a magical nuke might be feasible, you just need enough energy to smash an atom and the knowtof the intention. Wouldn't be easy, but not impossible I think.
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Nukes aren't the answer.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 03, 2020, 06:50:46 PM --- considering the fomor bombs, building a magical nuke might be feasible, you just need enough energy to smash an atom and the knowtof the intention. Wouldn't be easy, but not impossible I think.
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That's actually a rather terrifying thought. A magic nuke. Although to some degree they already have one: the Eye of Balor.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 03, 2020, 06:23:30 PM ---Anything can be shielded, unless Jim is postulating some uber super weapon that killed the power world wide. And if anything away from Chicago was still functioning then they could vaporize major parts of the lake and kill anything in it. And keep hitting it until they ran out of weapons. Ol whats her name could take a multi century vacation to put together her pieces and parts, assuming any pieces and part were left.
Humans killed about 60 million other humans overall from 1935 to 1945. More then all the demons and dark gods killed in their heyday. And nukes were only involved in the final days in Japan. Wizards should weep in fear when it gets right down to it.
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Are you sure that's more than all the demons and demigods and actual gods have killed? I mean Uriel has ended universes before, and I get the impression so of the bigger nasties have had similar destructive moments. That whole WOJ about how He Who Walks Behind is on Uriel's level but can only express his full power in highly specific circumstances...makes you wonder what the Old Ones have done before. I mean, the fact is we don't know how many humans have been wiped out before. We can only guess. And you're not counting plagues either by the way. If those were biological warfare....Nicodemus himself could count amongst the worst. Not to mention that little event that Maeve mentions called the Fall of Atlantis...
But I wasn't suggesting Ethniu has taken out post WW2 technology much further out than the limits of Chicago. It's more a hypothetical about the broader possible confrontation. But in terms of Battle Ground - maybe the US could fire nukes into itself. But would it? Especially if it didn't actually know what was happening. All the US would see from the Outside is Chicago go dark from what appears to be a major power failure, possible large EMP detected. Mixed word-of mouth reports of destruction and "monsters from the deep" attacking. They send planes etc to recon and get blasted. They send ground teams to investigate and enter an active warzone with a small nuke going off every so often. At this point, you might think they will nuke Chicago. But they won't. Because they don't know who's inside, which people are alive, who the enemy is and what they want. So they attempt to gather further intel, perhaps even attempt to make contact. Eventually perhaps the Wizards or someone helps clue them in. They still won't nuke at this point, if there are citizens left. And irradiating the water of Lake Michigan seems like mid-to-long term idea. They continue with ground assault etc. Nukes are a last resort, if they couldn't slow Ethniu down fast enough and she was causing more damage than it's worth. Which btw, might be several cities worth. Acceptable losses and all that.
But it's all hypothetical anyway. My point is that I find it difficult to believe that humanity are quite as dangerous as Jim makes them out to be. I can give you a laundry list of examples of where humans refuse to come together for the greater good (just this year alone...) Let alone the past century or so.
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 03, 2020, 11:22:47 AM ---I wonder how effective wizardly hexes (and the much bigger Eye of Balor effect) are against hardened military electronics, the kind designed to withstand EMP weapons.
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I considered this somewhat, but Harry's hexes and murphyonic field tend to effect more than electronics. They quite literally affect the internal components of machinery (like more modern guns which might not have any circuitry).
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