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The Fomor already unleashed ... Battle Ground Chapters 1 & 2
vultur:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 09, 2020, 09:38:38 PM ---And Harry pretty much postulates on a period of rampant growth to have the same effect in SK.
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That was Bob, not Harry, but yeah... I just don't think the two are really mutually exclusive. Both Summer and Winter incorporate multiple aspects, including life and death ones.
--- Quote ---Just because it kills us doesn't mean it's death. The planet would survive just fine.
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Yeah, but Atropos isn't simply Death (that was Thanatos). She's the Death/Ending aspect of Fate.
Atropos is only the End of things whose *time has come to end*. Not the End of Everything - the Mothers are still in opposition to the Outsiders, who do represent that (MS says to MW "even you must think that better than empty night").
--- Quote ---The drive to reproduce is not a drive to create things...
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But it's clearly associated with the "Life/Growth" side of things rather than "Death/Decay".
Summer includes both growth and disease. Winter includes both the drive to reproduce and the drive to kill. It's not as simple as Winter = Death, Summer = Life.
--- Quote ---Because things purely of spirit do not have bodies.
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True - Bob or Ulsharavas for example.
But Faerie aren't pure spirit. They're body + spirit.
Humans are body + spirit + soul.
And angels are pure soul.
The_Sibelis:
Angels are purely soul but Uriel has a human body underneath? I find the two mutually inclusive. The mothers do have a bit of a duality. I think as much as MW secretly cares, MS secretly wants to destroy it.. probably why their balance works so well at the top level..
Conspiracy Theorist:
Angels do not have souls, they have a Grace, and appear able to incorporate a physical body when required without borrowing ectoplasm from the NeverNever to do so, presumably a direct energy to matter conversion (and vice versa) which explains Uriel’s ability to teleport, he assembles his body when required then dissembles it when it is no longer required moving in physical space. This appears to require a greater degree of power and processing capacity than using the Never Never.
Uriel can easily modify the form he uses, which suggests he can undertake a far more complex form of incorporation, involving a much higher degree of processing than say Molly, who appears more locked in her form.
Lesser Fae appear to use the Ways to travel, so the Ladies are probably the minimum power/processing level to be able to do this. Mab can teleport herself and others (Lara in PT) and change her physical form somewhat in doing so without apparently borrowing from the NeverNever which suggests a higher power level/processing level than Molly, which makes sense.
I wonder if there are beings powerful enough to teleport without the processing power to keep from being an undifferentiated pile of protoplasm? It probably answers itself, not after the first attempt.
In lending Michael his Grace, Uriel is stuck with the body he has made for himself, it is effectively mortal, soulless and Graceless.
The_Sibelis:
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Angels do not have souls, they have a Grace, and appear able to incorporate a physical body when required without borrowing ectoplasm from the NeverNever to do so, presumably a direct energy to matter conversion
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just as much conjecture as the theory that they do. That they have a body underneath that grace. After all, transmuting a body is a greater order of magnitude than loaning a grace. Seems without his grace he's just a guy in a meat suit.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Uriel is still connected to his Grace to the extent that Michaels use of it could cause him to fall, but yes he was just a man in a meat suit, with a nosebleed.
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