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vultur:
I still think Starborn are a Reality vs Outsiders thing and have no connection to the Heaven vs Hell conflict.


--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on August 30, 2020, 01:00:13 PM ---Lucifers Job is specifically to counter balance TWG
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I really doubt Jim would do it this way. Lucifer is a fallen Archangel, which makes him a counterbalance to the good Archangels, not to the Creator.


--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 30, 2020, 10:43:48 AM ---Robert Graves ‘The White Goddess’

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I really wouldn't take any of Robert Graves' stuff as authoritative on much of anything... I'm pretty sure much of this is now generally thought to be based on very little.

The_Sibelis:
Their primary aspects even mirror each other, one believes in freedom and in SmF the aura of power nic whips up from Lucifer is a complete and utter lack of freedom. And Lucifer isn't the greatest being of darkness, just the darkest.. MW is actually the tallest shadow, in a metaphysics that gives height to equal importance.

Avernite:

--- Quote from: vultur on August 29, 2020, 06:57:10 PM ---It sounds good, but the timeline doesn't work. Harry was born within a year or so either way of 1975. 666 x 3 = 1998, so that would be like 24 BC. There's a bit of uncertainty in Jesus' birthdate, but it's like 1 AD-6 BC at the broadest.

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While a nice thought, I feel the 666 number just dropped out of the sky too much to do that - 666 is strongly associated with Christian stories, where TWC would presumably be critical.

Moreover, Eb had to think before answering 'every 666 years'. This sounds to me like a cop-out or fudge - I don't believe any western person could need time to remember something big hapening on a 666 cycle, so he was thinking how to hide the real fact behind an also-true-but-dodgy fact.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Avernite on August 31, 2020, 08:27:03 PM ---While a nice thought, I feel the 666 number just dropped out of the sky too much to do that - 666 is strongly associated with Christian stories, where TWC would presumably be critical.

Moreover, Eb had to think before answering 'every 666 years'. This sounds to me like a cop-out or fudge - I don't believe any western person could need time to remember something big hapening on a 666 cycle, so he was thinking how to hide the real fact behind an also-true-but-dodgy fact.

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I didn't want to be the first one to say it, but yea, Eb might be full of it in that whole Convo.

Dina:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on August 31, 2020, 11:29:06 AM ---Their primary aspects even mirror each other, one believes in freedom and in SmF the aura of power nic whips up from Lucifer is a complete and utter lack of freedom. And Lucifer isn't the greatest being of darkness, just the darkest.. MW is actually the tallest shadow, in a metaphysics that gives height to equal importance.

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I don't know what is JB idea, or what happens in his universe. But in our world, the Christian tradition says that Lucifer is not the opposite of God. God has not opposite. Literally. Lucifer and his followers fought other angels, but God is above all that.

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