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a clue about harry's status *peace talks spoilers*

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Mira:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 09, 2020, 01:48:08 PM ---Harry needs to get something over Mab to make it more of a partnership.

--- End quote ---

If he prevails in the up and coming battle, not just using the Spear but leading people, there will
be no need to "get something over Mab," it will be a partnership.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Nope, this is Mab manipulating Harry to her ends, Harry needs to break free to some extent, outplay Mab and not become her pet monster. There is nothing that can be given by Mab, only won from her.  There is one being that Harry can work with to achieve that end, Mother Winter. Get a favour from Mother Winter and Mab is then on her toes.

Mother Winter does say that Mab is too soft hearted, and would welcome the chance to demonstrate to Mab that is the case.

ClintACK:
I don't think you can create trust by beating someone and forcing it out of them. It's a victory that you can only win by surrendering.

Harry asked Mab to trust him after the fake sexual assault on the dance floor, and she did, but it was mild trust at best. The next step will be for Harry to dramatically demonstrate that he trusts Mab -- not trusts her to be a good person or trusts her to look out for his best interests, but at least trusts her to do what's best to keep the Outsiders at bay.

I'm guessing that with Ethniu trashing Chicago and the Accords and the Outsiders assaulting the Gates, Mab's not going to have a lot of time to focus on manipulating Harry. If he tells her that he understands the stakes and asks her to just tell him what she needs him to get done in Chicago and trust him to do it -- she might just be desperate enough to try it.

Arjan:
Actually what she wants was made clear during changes. She wants him to share her purpose.

ClintACK:
During Changes?

But, yes. She wants him to share her Purpose. What's frustrating is that since Cold Days, when Mother Summer took him on a field trip to see the Gates, he's been ready to do that. It's just a failure to communicate -- like so many of Harry's problems.

All the head-explodey manipulation of Skin Game was mostly unnecessary. (Although he probably wouldn't have accepted "Get the weapons from the vault, don't betray Nicodemus until he betrays you first." as good enough. Being Harry, he'd have dug in his heels and wanted to know more -- and then tried to fight to save Deirdre, putting the whole enterprise at risk.)

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