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Mab saw the sucker punch coming. Her tricks are functioning flawlessly.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 05, 2020, 03:03:56 PM ---The problem with the whole Mab did it scenario is that for Thomas to be clear, Etri has to be convinced that Thomas was a dupe, an agent and not the principle, as Etri would seek the full punishment against the principal (this was discussed in Bombshells by Etri himself).
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Not sure Mab cares about Thomas being "clear". Under this theory, Mab knows that Harry will rescue Thomas, and knows that's what Lara will use her favors for (and Mab probably arranged with Marcone for Thomas to be moved so Harry and Lara didn't have to attack the Svartalves).
--- Quote --- Mab won’t undermine her Accords,
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IMO she isn't. Mab lent Harry to Lara to pay off favors. Anything Harry does during that time is Lara's responsibility, by Faerie rules.
So any Svartalf revenge would come down on the White Court, not Winter. War is covered under the Accords; a White Court/Svartalf war isn't inherently against the Accords.
And there probably won't be a war... nothing can be proved. Thomas disappeared mysteriously. No way the Svartalves have divinations good enough to find out what happened, Demonreach is impenetrable.
Sure, once Thomas is healed, maybe there'd be an issue then... but after Harry (probably) imprisons a Titan who beat up Mab, things will look quite different.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Not sure Mab cares about Thomas being "clear". Under this theory, Mab knows that Harry will rescue Thomas, and knows that's what Lara will use her favors for (and Mab probably arranged with Marcone for Thomas to be moved so Harry and Lara didn't have to attack the Svartalves).
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Which is the whole point, Mab has a greater agenda and set everyone up. Whatever her plan was has been thrown out the window by the appearance of the Titan.. Unless of course she anticipated that and that is why she is setting things up the way she did.
You say Thomas could have summoned Mab, he has that kind of power but he couldn't contain her. However has Thomas been taught how to summon anyone or thing? Even if he had, why would he call Mab specifically? I also think the Fae can be contained by an ordinary circle, there was nothing special about the circle Harry drew when he called Molly, yet she couldn't cross it.. The same goes for when he had done it in the past, even when it was Mab. In Dead Beat Harry had Butters draw a circle and stay with in it for protection, Butters has minimum talent at best. Loops, demons, and other monsters require something a little stronger as Kim found out.
No, Mab knows that Thomas could be tempted in ways that Harry cannot. So she appeared to Thomas, she was right, Justine's apparent pregnancy made him vulnerable to "Let's Make a Deal" Sidhe style..
TrueMonk:
Regarding whether Thomas could contain Mab or not. I think if Harry could only just contain the earl king when he summoned him it is a safe bet that Thomas could not contain Mab. As far as I remember Harry is not at all confident in his circle when he summons Titania in Cold Days. More like, he is certain it cannot hold her. I think it is unclear if Molly could have left the circle of she really wanted to. She could not just step out of it, but might have been able to fight her way out of it if she really wanted to.
It seems like with the really powerful beings most of the time the circle is more of a compliment to their power than an actual attempt to contain them.
Mira:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on August 06, 2020, 11:40:46 AM ---Regarding whether Thomas could contain Mab or not. I think if Harry could only just contain the earl king when he summoned him it is a safe bet that Thomas could not contain Mab. As far as I remember Harry is not at all confident in his circle when he summons Titania in Cold Days. More like, he is certain it cannot hold her. I think it is unclear if Molly could have left the circle of she really wanted to. She could not just step out of it, but might have been able to fight her way out of it if she really wanted to.
It seems like with the really powerful beings most of the time the circle is more of a compliment to their power than an actual attempt to contain them.
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Molly didn't even try, she said she couldn't, supposedly she cannot lie now. Harry invited her out, but she said she couldn't leave until he broke the circle.
Harry easily contained the Eriking because he made his summoning circle of iron barbed wire.
Now Titania did manage to break the circle, but it was a pretty ordinary circle...
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 06, 2020, 12:45:53 PM ---Molly didn't even try, she said she couldn't, supposedly she cannot lie now. Harry invited her out, but she said she couldn't leave until he broke the circle.
Harry easily contained the Eriking because he made his summoning circle of iron barbed wire.
Now Titania did manage to break the circle, but it was a pretty ordinary circle...
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It wasn't easy and he had Erl's Name (sort of) for that.
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