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Peace Talks - What did you like? What didn't you like? What were you expecting?

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huangjimmy108:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on July 24, 2020, 04:12:50 AM ---I'm not expecting an answer in part 1 of 2.  I do find it odd that Harry didn't even start laying any groundwork to an investigation. He is a private detective, after all.

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Because saving Thomas is more important to Harry compare to knowing who is behind it. Harry himself notice that what happened to Thomas is a distraction, which meant trying to investigate is exactly what the enemy wanted Harry to do.

Harry also has task from Mab and from the white council which occupy his time and attention in which failure could mean his death. Both rationally and emotionally, Harry's action to leave the mystery behind and focus on the rescue is a correct response in my opinion. Harry simply don't have the time and resources to investigate the matter, not even just a preliminary one. There are more important and urgent issue demanding his attention. As long as Thomas is still alive, Harry could investigate later.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Dina on July 24, 2020, 07:14:29 AM ---Frankly, the only thing that bothers me about Butters' arrangements is the moment that Harry thinks to himself that he does not know what to think.

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I totally get not knowing what to think, especially from Harry's "traditional" perspective.

Part of it is that it's Butters, who had a slightly better sex life than Harry in WN. He didn't exactly go from zero to sixty, but Butters isn't ever described as anything approaching what one would think of as someone ending up in his situation. (His situation being a guy in a menage a trois with a bombshell and another girl who is, at least, not unattractive).

Another part has been mentioned that because Butters didn't know how it happened, there's a good chance that Butters is going to end up the odd man out. Three people in a relationship often ends up with someone believing they were betrayed.

And finally, I don't think Dresden can wrap his head around a long term romantic relationship involving three people. Marci is different than the girls Justine brings over because Marci is going to be around regardless of what's happening in Butters bedroom.

Dina:
I see no reason for Jim to include that particular moment of Harry's thoughts, still getting attention over that moment. And Butters has always being described as someone interesting for a nerd girl. The fact that the female Alphas are all bombshells does not change that. But that is not my point. I totally understand that Harry is surprised. That is perfectly fine. And clearly it is not something Harry himself would do. Of course. But "not knowing what to think"? Well, think that is not your business, Harry! What else is "to think"?

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Dina on July 24, 2020, 06:23:44 PM ---And Butters has always being described as someone interesting for a nerd girl.
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I have to admit that I'm often flummoxed by some things women find attractive, but I imagine Dresden and most men are too. We typically do not expect short, skinny, older, professionally limited, polka enthusiasts to end up in the situation Harry finds Butters in.


--- Quote from: Dina on July 24, 2020, 06:23:44 PM ---The fact that the female Alphas are all bombshells does not change that.

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Not accusing you of it, but this sort of observation, turned to a criticism, is my biggest pet peeve criticism of Dresden Files. So many people complain vigorously about how every woman in the Dresden Files is sooo hot and beautiful. They're not. Out of the Alphas, only Andy is described as clearly a bombshell.* The others are described as physically fit, which is just one aspect of what many define as hot or beautiful. "Butterface" isn't considered a compliment. I kind of get the impression that Georgia's not good looking. The adjective I remember most when it comes to Marci is "mousy." Most women, excluding the supernaturally attractive ones, are described as having an attractive feature or two. Very few are described as outright ugly. Probably just Meryl, and female BCV's if you want to include them as women. Most female characters are described with at least some terms that I doubt a woman would appreciate hearing about herself. I don't think any of the old lady's are described as what most would describe as attractive. (Older wizards, the Mothers, Mama Murphy, matronly desk sergeant who disapproves of Dresden's appearance).

If I ever get ambitious, I'm going to get every description of a female character and post them.

*Merriam Webster definition for context: a person who is the cause and object of sensational and usually widespread attention, excitement, or attraction
a blonde bombshell [=a glamorously attractive blonde woman]


--- Quote from: Dina on July 24, 2020, 06:23:44 PM ---But "not knowing what to think"? Well, think that is not your business, Harry! What else is "to think"?

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People have opinions about other people's choices. It's why "I know it's not any of my business, but" and similar phrases are so common. Harry can't help but having thoughts about it. Instead of writing a couple of paragraphs starting with "two chicks at the same time" to "that's going to blow up in Butters' face" with everything in between, Jim wrote "not knowing what to think" because that get's across that Dresden has multiple conflicting thoughts on it.

Dina:
Well, men are so limited  :)
I accept your comment about my words about the Alphas, perhaps they are not all bombshells. Anyway, that is not my point. My point is even if they were all bombshells, they are still RPG players and (probably) nerdy. So I perfectly see them attracted to clever, honest, brave and kind Butters. And after he became a Knight he won confidence, he trained, I am sure he is now quite hot even for conventional, action-movie standards.
Over the last part, we are not mind-reading a real person. Jim had no need to include that part of Harry thoughts.

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