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Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on July 16, 2020, 07:15:09 AM ---Dresden11 - Just because you dislike the portrayal of what happened to Mab doesn't mean it didn't happen. Mab got her ass kicked. Ethniu wasn't even trying to kill Mab because she didn't even consider her a threat. She was making a point.
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I'm not so sure the theory that Mab being emotional didn't suppress her mantle the way Harry being rational suppresses his is wrong. Ethniu was making a point. A point killing Mab would have put a fine point on. Why have Corb speak at all? It seemed that most of the members weren't paying any attention to her at first.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on July 16, 2020, 07:15:09 AM ---I suspect the Original Merlin (who Corb seems to have confirmed to be dead).

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Jim confirmed he's dead. I'm not so sure that any particular person in the DF knows how he died or even that he did in fact die. Ebeneezer, who has Merlin's and his apprentice's journals doesn't know.

Grifter:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on July 16, 2020, 09:38:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on July 16, 2020, 07:15:09 AM ---Dresden11 - Just because you dislike the portrayal of what happened to Mab doesn't mean it didn't happen. Mab got her ass kicked. Ethniu wasn't even trying to kill Mab because she didn't even consider her a threat. She was making a point. Mab isn't Winter, Mother Winter is Winter. Mab is out of her weight class with something like Ethniu. And I saw no evidence in the book that the comments that Corb made robbed her of her mantle's protection. Corb's comments were purely psychological tactics to try and rile her up and not see the sucker punch. Perhaps you missed the general message Mab has to all her creatures: if you get beaten it's your own fault. She wasn't prepared enough. Mab is certainly strong in magical raw power, but she is no Goddess. Often described as a demigod, she is several levels below something like Ethniu. Consider this - Ethniu masked her presence so that all those divine beings didn't even sense her. Molly could sense Vadderung just because he was in a bar near her (in Ghost Story) yet none of them sensed the massively powerful being that was about to walk through the door.

Jim has said Mab would be loathe to take Ferrovax head on (due to his sheer raw power). And Ferrovax was freaking terrified of Ethniu. Hell, he wasn't even prepared to throw down with Vadderung (who is quite possibly not even as strong as Mab in Vadderung guise - although I suspect he fights dirty, like Dresden). As Morris said, Mab's real power is her armies and connections. Her Queendom.  Mab's strong, but she's a long way from being the biggest bully on the playground.

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I'm not so sure the theory that Mab being emotional didn't suppress her mantle the way Harry being rational suppresses his is wrong. Ethniu was making a point. A point killing Mab would have put a fine point on. Why have Corb speak at all? It seemed that most of the members weren't paying any attention to her at first.

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I think there can still be a middle ground here, where we can acknowledge that Ethniu's power and skillset exceeds Mab's in certain ways, but it doesn't mean they're in different classes.

Mab is weakest in mid-summer, and this occurred in July.  Mab is limited on Earth, because her power unrestrained warps reality.  Mab was passionate, which is the opposite of her way, per Titania in Cold Days. Mab can't act directly on Earth without inviting an equal reaction from Titania. Mab's power is elemental and not brute physical.

Ethniu being a tank that is powered up with a bonus power armor and eye with no known limitations on her use of power in reality... If she didn't mop the floor with Mab, she would have been laughed out of the room.

I think saying Ethniu is out of Mab's league because she laid her out with a single hit is like saying the Genowska is out of Harry's league because he laid him out with a single hit. Harry bounced up quicker than Mab, but I think the circumstances were very similar.  Mab likely would have bounced back quicker if it'd mattered, or if it were earlier in the year, or she weren't acting so humanly passionate.

It was a sucker punch. And we have every reason to believe that one could beat the other in certain circumstances.  Ethniu could likely burn Mab right out of her host with that eye of hers, and Mab could likely freeze Ethniu's blood in mid-Winter in the Never-never.

vultur:
Also, I'm not sure Ethniu not trying to kill Mab was because Mab was no threat... it might just as well be because she couldn't. Even if Ethniu is vastly more powerful, that doesn't mean she could kill Mab. Mab is an Immortal, and it's not Halloween, and the Stone Table wasn't involved.

And even if she could... the goal was to demonstrate Mab's inability to hold her Accords together. Killing her might actually be counterproductive to the political goal, because then you get a new Winter Queen who is less of a known quantity/less predictable (even if somewhat less effective at the beginning).

And yeah, Mab on Earth in summer is not going to be at her best. Still horrifically powerful by mortal standards, but not the strongest being in that room even before Ethniu walked in (Jim said years ago that Ferrovax could defeat Mab outside of Faerie).

Gnomoleon:
Ok .... What happened to Mister? Did I miss something?

Grifter:

--- Quote from: Gnomoleon on July 16, 2020, 10:20:14 PM ---Ok .... What happened to Mister? Did I miss something?

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What do you mean?  Mister was living with Harry and Maggie, and they took him to the Carpenters' house.

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