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A Hypothetical Diplomatic Incident
Walter the skull:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 09, 2020, 07:14:58 PM ---
The Laws of Magic are enforced by the White Council. They can enforce them against their own members, obviously. They can also enforce them against your average sorcerer, mortal practitioners who aren't members of the White Council, because they have no other Accords nation representing them - the White Council claims jurisdiction and nobody powerful is contesting that claim.
Fix the Summer Knight is a member of the Summer Court, an Accords nation. The White Council enforcing their internal laws against him just isn't going to fly.
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I agree with that interpretation too.
In my other thread about Mab and the Council, Knightedbishop posted,"[Carlos] understood [Molly] was now the executive of a sovereign nation."
I think the Knights are treated like citizens of a sovereign nation, so the council leaves them alone. Harry might be screwed because he was and still is a wizard, so the council can claim jurisdiction over him.
I think Snark Knight made a similar point above.
spiritofair:
The whole point of the Laws of Magic with regard to killing people, messing with their mind, compelling them, is to prevent the practitioner from being subject to black magic creep which damages their mind.
Fix's magic comes from a different angle, and I really doubt that he would be subject to this black magic creep. Maybe the mantle protects him from it? Kind of like how the Blackstaff, rumored to be of faerie origin (Mother Winter's walking stick), protects the wielder.
This line of thought raises a few questions:
- Is Harry protected now that he is a Knight? Is he immune to the concerns about black magic eating at his soul?
- To what extent does the breaking of the laws corrupt the mind? Are some more dangerous than others? Does intent matter (seems like it would... magic is all about intent in the Dresden Files)? Even if the intent is good, does the black magic still start a corruption? Can the corruption be "healed" with time or is a permanent stain on the soul? Most of the laws seem like they would lead to corruption, as they are almost universally evil actions. Except swimming against the currents of time. Obviously very dangerous with potentially major consequences, but doesn't seem like something that would corrupt the practitioner...
Walter the skull:
I agree I don't think Fix would be corrupted at all.
I think intent matters at first, but repeated use is probably bad no matter what.
I think you have a point about the time thing. I wonder about the law, it sound like it prohibits changing the past, but i don't know if it prohibits the slowing or speeding of time if a mortal could do that.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Walter the skull on July 10, 2020, 10:10:55 PM ---I agree I don't think Fix would be corrupted at all.
I think intent matters at first, but repeated use is probably bad no matter what.
I think you have a point about the time thing. I wonder about the law, it sound like it prohibits changing the past, but i don't know if it prohibits the slowing or speeding of time if a mortal could do that.
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Slowing or speeding up does not change the direction, you don’t swim against the stream so it is ok.
vultur:
--- Quote from: spiritofair on July 10, 2020, 09:41:05 PM ---The whole point of the Laws of Magic with regard to killing people, messing with their mind, compelling them, is to prevent the practitioner from being subject to black magic creep which damages their mind.
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To a large degree, but I think it's important to distinguish between "the Laws as enforced by the White Council" and "what is actually corrupting". The first is highly subject to politics, the second presumably isn't.
(And I'm not sure that preventing the corruption is the only motive of the Laws of Magic either. The White Council is also supposed to be about restricting the power of wizards over mortals. Things like time travel and necromancy may not be corrupting in the same sense, just really dangerous to mess with.)
--- Quote ---- Is Harry protected now that he is a Knight? Is he immune to the concerns about black magic eating at his soul?
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I strongly doubt it. Mab doesn't care about souls, and Winter Knights apparently don't last that long usually.
--- Quote ---- To what extent does the breaking of the laws corrupt the mind? Are some more dangerous than others?
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We really don't know. It seems like there probably is a difference, though - Cowl and Kumori seem pretty controlled and 'sane' compared to other warlocks we've seen. (Their goals are crazy, but they seem quite capable of acting toward those goals in a highly competent way.) Necromancy may not be corrupting in the same way that killing or mind magic is.
--- Quote --- Can the corruption be "healed" with time or is a permanent stain on the soul?
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I think so, at least if the person acts against the impulses that are associated with breaking that Law. Harry really doesn't seem to be meaningfully tainted by breaking the First Law any longer, IMO.
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