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vultur:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on July 11, 2020, 06:00:58 AM ---Very true.

Although I am not sure I agree with you on the bit about Kemmler. I don't see Kemmler disrupting Ley Lines.
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It's possible. Kemmler was definitely more dangerous than a naagloshii, given Listens-to-Wind's fight... surely Kemmler was more powerful than any single Senior Council member.

But maybe not more raw power. The Faerie Ladies are true Immortals, and in PG they make flowers grow/die when they walk into the room, but they don't seem that effective in fights; we've seen 3 get killed in the series. Listens-to-Wind doesn't distort ley lines by walking by; neither does Eb. Wizards seem to be able to use their power more effectively...

But I think Kemmler increased his raw power dramatically by eating ghosts (even before an actual Darkhallow) - Mab says that was the secret of his power. So I wouldn't rule out enough raw power to distort ley lines etc.

--- Quote ---Much of it was in his knowledge, and his connections. He even had a small army of minions. That's really what made him bad, from what I can tell.
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Oh, that definitely helped, but Mab does say that eating ghosts was the secret that made him a threat to the whole Council (and she can't lie).


--- Quote ---But still human it seems, and therefore vulnerable.
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Well, he definitely wasn't a true Immortal, and probably easier to kill than a naagloshii, sure. On the other hand, he returned from death at least once.


--- Quote ---Kemmler would have succeeded, had his rite/spell been successful.
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If he'd managed to do the complete Darkhallow, he would have been a true Immortal and at least as powerful as Mab, so yeah he could have crushed the White Council.

Yuillegan:
That's a good point. I suspect it is also to do with the preparation for those fights. LtW won the round but wasn't sure he could actually kill it. WOJ is the Naagloshii just realised he couldn't easily win and wasn't prepared to risk losing. That's the kind of mentality that allows you to exist for millennia.

I agree with what you're saying about effectiveness though. The Ladies seem not really to have their power to be fighters...and they have a critical weakness to Cold Iron. They mostly don't seem to have the training to be truly dangerous. Harry sort of shows why that's such an important thing. He wins his fights because winning isn't easy for him. He has to prepare lots, plan, bring multiple tools and allies to fights and even pick the location and sometimes the time all to give him a chance. The Ladies are just used to using their raw power to overwhelm and don't really see Dresden as dangerous. The don't plan for what to do if he has iron or other advantages. I expect Molly to be far scarier than her predecessors just based on her experiences.

I suppose it's possible Kemmler at the height of his power (certainly not when he met Luccio) was stronger in raw power than any mortal wizard. Something interesting about Naagloshii is that they effectively ARE their own ley line, which might also be how they have their own intellectus (only for causing pain). I suspect that's how they disrupt other ley lines more than their raw power. You don't see Mab doing that and I doubt she would be worried about a Naagloshii. I suspect it is all to do with where they draw their power from and how they use it. Naagloshii are wasteful and obvious. I doubt Kemmler was. I suspect he was the worst and most terrifying traits of his apprentices combined, but much stronger. Harry barely could survive any one of the Heirs. Imagine all three at once but worse. I doubt even Eb would survive that. I actually wonder when the Merlin (Langtry) became the Merlin. Must have been after Fistful of Warlocks. So what happened to his predecessor? Or the others? Only Mai and Rashid are older...

Yeah I don't disagree. The sundering and consuming of spirits was the source of his magical strength (and I suspect) some forbidden knowlege. They tend to go hand in hand.

Yes, on the on hand he wasn't a true immortal. On the other hand he has this trick of coming back. There is a qualitative difference, I think. But effectively the main difference was the mechanism, but obviously the White Council learned how to stop him doing it. Otherwise he would be back by now...right?  ;)  :o

Yep, had he become a god he would have wiped the floor with everyone. But it seems like the bad guys (the Black Council) need a god or something on their side. Seems like a few times that has been a goal (to create a god) for their team. So I expect Cowl to try again. Or perhaps they have converted the Titan.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Con on July 05, 2020, 05:49:53 PM ---So therefore we know that Kincaid has never actually fully dueled Ebenezar despite knowing he was the Blackstaff, and whatever went down between them.

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Well, yeah. Kincaid's options in a conflict with Ebenezar are either murder from ambush, or run away. Given the armor enchantments Eb has on his clothing are much better than Harry's, it would take specialized weapons even by Kincaid's standards for a sniper attack to even stand a chance.

Yuillegan:
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Eb even has counter measures for such attacks. Which isn't to say he is untouchable or overwhelmable. But don't think no one has tried the old assassination at a distance. Specialised weapons or perhaps anti-magic defences.

Con:
The Dome Shield Harry had Molly use in Turn Coat, could theoretically stop a sniper bullet but you'd have to trigger it so know the attack is coming.

Otherwise Warded locations seem to be the best defense.

Even Marcone said Harry's apartment was the best defensive location in Chicago.

Anyway back to Kincaid. John Wick is probably the best modern analogy, he never misses, throws in a little martial arts, claims to be merely human.

One thing on the possible Devil Hound of Hell insinuation, Kincaid could be the scion of a Fallen Angel, not necessarily Lucifer or the Devil.

It would make a good family civil war of Small Favor, although admittedly if that was the case it would have been hinted at in Small Favor at the time. Family Drama is a common theme with Jim so it's probably just a WAG.

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