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"That Stunt with Mab"
KurtinStGeorge:
The con was only partly about who got what artifact. The most important element was getting Nicodemus to break his contract with Mab. Now if Nicodemus had left no survivors, it wouldn't have mattered, but he did and that meant everything. Now no one will trust Nic or deal with him. His strongest potential allies; his ex-wife and Lasciel are one; not in any mood to be helpful; and two, currently trapped in a coin under several tons of rubble inside Hades vault. Add to that, Nicodemus got his ass handed to him; and word of that must have been spread far and wide by now; so there's a loss of face; plus, Nic lost (murdered) his closest and most reliable ally, his daughter Deirdre.
The condition of one or both of Nic's potential allies may change in the long-run. Plus, Nic did get the grail. However, I think the one factor everyone seems to have forgotten is that Nicodemus still has one of the coins in his possession. My guess is that coin isn't a simple thug denarian like Ursiel. I think Nicodemus needs someone capable of being a truly useful ally to carry that coin. The Genoskwa was just a thug so a thug's coin was perfect for it to carry. I don't think Nicodemus wanted someone as capable as Goodman Grey to be just another thug on his payroll. Nicodemus seems to be quite aware that the endgame is coming soon and he needs to marshal all his strength and assets to accomplish his goals. Part of the beauty of Mab, Kringle and Marcone's plan, was it made it exponentially more difficult for Nicodemus to find someone the caliber of a Goodman Grey, who would be willing to even do a sit down with him and eventually take up the coin formerly held by his daughter.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on June 08, 2020, 04:11:29 AM ---Plus, if he knew Harry had come out with the true Shroud, he'd probably have swallowed his pride and asked to try it on Helen Beckit's daughter where the fake failed.
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Wild thought, what if it didn't fail?
TrueMonk:
I think Harry would know because it would change Marcone so much that they could soulgaze again. At least that is my guess
"It was a dry and cool place, inside Gentleman Johnny Marcone. Except for one dim corner. There, hidden away from his everyday thoughts, there lurked a secret shame. I couldn’t quite see what it was. But I knew that somewhere in the past there was something that he would give anything to undo, would spill blood to erase. It was from that dark place that he drew his resolve, his strength."
It might even be to the degree that the easiest way for Harry to "win" over Marcone would be to heal Beckits kid.
toodeep:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on June 09, 2020, 11:54:50 PM ---His strongest potential allies; his ex-wife and Lasciel are one; not in any mood to be helpful; and two, currently trapped in a coin under several tons of rubble inside Hades vault.
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Hmmm. I had not considered the fact that the denarians may actually be more fractured because of this. Good point. I wonder if this is the case, of if Nic came up with a really good plan whether his wife's fallen angel would still talk her into supporting him. Makes me wonder what her goals are compared to his.
g33k:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on June 09, 2020, 11:54:50 PM ---... His strongest potential allies; his ex-wife and Lasciel are one; not in any mood to be helpful; and two, currently trapped in a coin under several tons of rubble inside Hades vault. Add to that, Nicodemus got his ass handed to him; and word of that must have been spread far and wide by now; so there's a loss of face; plus, Nic lost (murdered) his closest and most reliable ally, his daughter Deirdre.
The condition of one or both of Nic's potential allies may change in the long-run. Plus, Nic did get the grail. However, I think the one factor everyone seems to have forgotten is that Nicodemus still has one of the coins in his possession. My guess is that coin isn't a simple thug denarian like Ursiel. I think Nicodemus needs someone capable of being a truly useful ally to carry that coin. The Genoskwa was just a thug so a thug's coin was perfect for it to carry. I don't think Nicodemus wanted someone as capable as Goodman Grey to be just another thug on his payroll...
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I'm pretty sure Nic recovered all the coins (but I realize that is debated). It is clearly a HUGE strategic issue for the Denarians. Nic would have done so if at all possible.
When Michael & Harry were double-teaming him, Nic vanished, and they couldn't tell where he was.
When Harry fought Ursi/Gen to cover the others' retreat, Nic was free to recover Lasciel's coin. Then Gen got Genosquashed, and everybody ran for the Gate. Nic grabbed Gen's coin while they were running.
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