The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
"Job placement" microfiction
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 20, 2020, 08:45:09 PM ---According to Rashid, Peabody did a lot of messing with Luccio's mind, further he enhanced her existing propensity for violence to set her up to murder LaFortier.
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I think he just directed it.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 18, 2020, 10:09:09 PM ---No, Luccio was one of his main targets. Turn Coat page 399 Rashid's conversation with Harry.
There is a lot more about it on the page.
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My point is NOT 'Peabody didn't mentally manipulate Luccio'
My point is 'Peabody didn't use the ink to mentally manipulate Luccio, he used direct mind magic'.
The conclusion to Turn Coat says in Ch47 'A test of the inks he used to attain the signatures of the Senior Council', 'It is my (Eb's) belief that Peabody has been drugging the ink for the purpose of attempting greater mental influence over the decisions of members of the Senior Council'.
And more circumstantial about the others being different, in Ch49 the Gatekeeper tells Harry "I've been working with the Wardens and administrative staff whose minds Peabody invaded" - making clear that wasn't just inks.
Bad Alias:
Eb finishes talking about Peabody's use of the ink with
--- Quote ---it is entirely possible that he has compromised the free will of younger members of the Council outright.
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It's not clear whether or not he meant that Peabody used the ink to compromise their free will.
I don't see how the Gatekeeper's statement makes it clear that Peabody didn't use the inks to invade their minds. It just makes it clear that Peabody did invade their minds.
Peabody's reaction to Harry not signing for the file (Ch. 17) indicates that he was going to use the ink to invade Harry's mind. It's also demonstrated that they are alone in that section of the headquarters. This indicates that Peabody couldn't just manipulate someone's mind if they were alone. It indicates that Peabody needed something more than direct magic to manipulate even younger wizard's minds. We can be reasonably sure that he wasn't able to manipulate Harry with direct mind magic. (I don't know precisely what you mean by direct magic, but I'm assuming evocation).
Now it could be that Peabody needs more time than he was going to have with Dresden to do anything, but I think there is a good argument that he used the ink to mind bend all or most of his victims. I don't think there is anything decisive either way.
The point that Luccio was one of Peabody's main targets is evidence that he used ink on her. It's just very weak evidence if raised alone.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 21, 2020, 08:15:36 PM ---Eb finishes talking about Peabody's use of the ink withIt's not clear whether or not he meant that Peabody used the ink to compromise their free will.
I don't see how the Gatekeeper's statement makes it clear that Peabody didn't use the inks to invade their minds. It just makes it clear that Peabody did invade their minds.
Peabody's reaction to Harry not signing for the file (Ch. 17) indicates that he was going to use the ink to invade Harry's mind. It's also demonstrated that they are alone in that section of the headquarters. This indicates that Peabody couldn't just manipulate someone's mind if they were alone. It indicates that Peabody needed something more than direct magic to manipulate even younger wizard's minds. We can be reasonably sure that he wasn't able to manipulate Harry with direct mind magic. (I don't know precisely what you mean by direct magic, but I'm assuming evocation).
Now it could be that Peabody needs more time than he was going to have with Dresden to do anything, but I think there is a good argument that he used the ink to mind bend all or most of his victims. I don't think there is anything decisive either way.
The point that Luccio was one of Peabody's main targets is evidence that he used ink on her. It's just very weak evidence if raised alone.
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I agree there's nothing decisive, though I left that last bit of Eb's statement out on purpose as equal.
You could argue that it means the inks could be used to mindbend outright, or I could argue it shows how grossly, based on investigating just the inks, Eb underestimated what Peabody could do. "it is entirely possible" compared to "basically every younger warden had his or her mind remodelled to some extent with a stop-switch, up to and including suicide bomb level like Luccio".
Mira:
--- Quote from: Avernite on May 21, 2020, 10:33:18 PM ---I agree there's nothing decisive, though I left that last bit of Eb's statement out on purpose as equal.
You could argue that it means the inks could be used to mindbend outright, or I could argue it shows how grossly, based on investigating just the inks, Eb underestimated what Peabody could do. "it is entirely possible" compared to "basically every younger warden had his or her mind remodelled to some extent with a stop-switch, up to and including suicide bomb level like Luccio".
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It wasn't just Eb who underestimated Peabody, the whole damn Council did, witness the damage he did at his trial. It was the ink, without the ink Peabody couldn't of pulled off the mind influence. The ink acted as a mind numbing drug for lack of a better word, then Peabody was able to suggest all kinds of things and because of the ink, the victim no matter how experienced or powerful wasn't aware that he or she was being manipulated. Luccio was merely the most overt, most of the influence was much more subtle, effecting Senior Council decisions for years and no one noticed. That is why I think it was Eb, said the Council would have to go back at least ten years to revisit all
the decisions it made.
Most young wizards weren't effected simply because most of them weren't in positions where they'd come in contact with the secretary for the Senior Council demanding that they sign this paper or that paper that often or at all. That is what saved Harry's butt, even though he had moved up the Warden command chain, he hardly if ever went to headquarters. Interesting that one of the first things when he did show up he was harassed by Peabody wanting him to "sign" this paper or that, which being Harry, he didn't do.
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