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Mira:

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I think if you guys want big Sword fights, Butters isn't your guy,  actually I don't think Sanya is either.
He maybe young and athletic enough for them, but I think he prefers to use his gun.  I think Michael and Shiro were big on using their Swords, it may depend on who is next in line for the Sword of Love..  I think Sanya prefers to use his gun because then he doesn't want to run into the problems that Murphy ran into.  If she had just executed Nic with a gun instead of trying with a Holy Sword, he'd be just as dead and she wouldn't have blown the rules governing the Swords, leaving Nic alive and breaking the Sword.   I think Michael has a few more scruples as did Shiro in this case, and never questioned the idea of giving the coin holder a shot at giving up the coin and redemption.  So they could have big Sword fights, no problem.

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---How is the Western Regional Commander the junior of the Eastern Regional Commander? Harry was appointed as a regional commander when he got his cloak. Ramirez got the job as the "other regional commander in America" sometime after the second to last chapter of Dead Beat. Carlos has been a warden longer. Carlos probably has more points under any system based on superiors' evaluations.

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Not what I meant. Carlos isn't Harry's junior perhaps in the White Council wardens (although I would point out that amoungst Wizards, and most of the supernatural community, seniority and age go hand in hand). Harry is the more experienced Wizard, and even amongst wardens of the same rank there is always unofficial ranking, which like most jobs tends to go to the most experienced and/or most respected person. Langtry likes Ramirez, but I think both he and harry hardly rank compared to what remains of the old guard. Beyond that though is the fact Harry is the more powerful person - not just magically but politically and personally. He commands a great deal of respect amongst the various powers, and represents a number of powerful individuals (and their "organizations"). Carlos by comparison is a well-liked, unofficial poster boy for the younger wardens. It doesn't even come close. It will be interesting to see how the Council treats him now that he is both Winter Knight, and the Warden of Demonreach. Carlos might have tacit authority, but commanding Harry would be like being the captain of a local men's basketball team when Labron James joins the team. The head of the club might have made you the captain, but leadership and power are more tenuous than titles would like them to be.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---Harry is the Warden as opposed to a warden, but the Council, maybe even Senior Council, seems to be largely in the dark on that. So it's a toss up as to who is senior under whatever tie breaker the Council uses.
That's why Carlos is in charge instead of Harry.

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I suspect that the fact that almost only the Senior Council know about the Warden position with any depth is that that island and it's purpose were covered up. The power of the position lead to the creation of the wardens (that much is implied), but the original role seems to be far more intense and important than the current emulation. If that position is reintegrated fully...who knows. Considering the first Warden (and warden) was the Original Merlin (Emrys), I suspect that it's likely a former Senior Council role that was done away with. But I am just guessing here.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---1. Harry would be a terrible choice because there's bad blood between him and just about everyone else, and Harry's a hot head.

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Yes he is. I am not saying that Harry should be the head of security in this situation. But had Harry not died and come back, I think that assuming the Peace Talks were still held in Chicago I believe that security of the talks would have been under Harry's purview (being that he was the Eastern regional commander). I agree that Harry's particular position and tendencies make him a bad candidate but it's no less true that had his tenure not been interrupted he would have been the one in charge.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---2. If anyone was worried about offending Harry by putting someone else in charge of something in his territory, using Carlos, the person Harry asked to be in charge of security at the last official Council activity in Chicago, and the excuse that Harry is in a unique position to serve as the liaison to Winter would be enough to satisfy the protocol droids.

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I think he used Carlos because he himself was being an advocate for the person on trial. Kinda hard to be impartial... I honestly don't think anyone would care about offending Harry, before or after his death (assuming he didn't want to kill them after - he has a pretty high chance of killing his enemies after all). This will be Harry's first official Council event since his death if I'm not mistaken, he hasn't been fully reintegrated. Not to mention his enormous conflict of interest, as he is now the Winter Knight. The fact they haven't revoked his membership is very interesting. I suspect that they will ask him to be a spy in Winter, and an advocate for them.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---Former Captain of the Wardens, Senior Council Member Blackstaff McCoy, is going to be on the ground there, so I don't think the SC is going to be to worried about the young hotheads going off half cocked. It also pays to note that Carlos is one of the oldest wardens, not counting any who may or may not have been pulled out of retirement, because almost all of the active wardens were killed off in Dead Beat. At this point, the old guard can't be more than 50 or so. Probably less. I want to say the number of wardens was around 300 last time the number came up, but I'm not sure.

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I suspect that they are including Harry only because A) it is happening in Chicago, B) It's Mab's talks and C) McCoy and the Gatekeeper would definitely have requested his inclusion. Carlos is one of the oldest warden's by mode, but he is still young. There are probably still at least 50 or 60  old guard above him. So he is hardly one of the oldest when he isn't even in the top 20 oldest out of maybe 200-300 wardens. He doesn't even make top 50.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---Being a part-time artist takes up way more time than one weekend a year.
During the 363 days out of the year he isn't having the worst weekend of the year?

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If you're going off that old stick about each book being "Harry Dresden's worst weekend of the year", I would rethink your position. That was about the how each book was set-up, and was Jim's attitude in the early series. But it hardly counts for Harry's life in the later series, much of which is not shown in the books. From teaching Molly to training wardens before Changes, and afterwards he was Dead for several months, then in physical rehab/Winter Knight training for several more, then Winter Knight missions and then spends most of his time on Demonreach under effectively house arrest only to then go on a heist in the Greek Underworld for the literal Holy Grail. You tell me where his free time is.

The pattern of the old books is gone, that was part of the point of Changes. Harry isn't the wizard gumshoe guy solving murder mysteries. He is the guy trying to save the world now.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---Stallings was said to be quite competent, so I'm not so sure it's going to be worse off without Murphy. Murphy hadn't been the one fighting turf wars since Proven Guilty. Honestly, S.I. might be better off. Even accepting your premise, that doesn't mean they aren't going to get all the weird cases in search of a scape goat dumped in their lap anyway. It's been around in one form or another for at least 40 years. It's still going to be a valuable source of information.

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They might still get the weird cases, but I am sure they won't be investigated thoroughly like they were when Murphy was in-charge. They are basically the clean up crew, "Hey man see that weird burnt skeleton that has fangs and isn't human but is human sized? Please make that look more like a regular murder case" "No worries Chief, probably just a weird gang thing or terrorists". No weirdness to see here!


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---All that said, that response is a dodge of my question of if you were a warden in a city of millions, would you want S.I. to keep you in the loop? I ask that question because the answer is an obvious "yes." Harry doesn't have to keep his p.i. business to be kept in the loop, but he does have to offer something of value in return.

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But the thing is - Harry hasn't been a warden in Chicago since Changes, and really he wasn't doing much warden stuff in that book. And now that he is back, I don't think he'll have much time to go back to his old routine. So the question you ask is somewhat redundant. Besides, as I said before he can get information on the bigger problems he deals with from better sources like, I don't know, Mab and Kringle? You see where I am going here? He is moving into the majors now - so having his old little league team come and support him (especially when there are so few of the original crew from those days still there) is kinda ridiculous. Not to mention if the White Council falls there won't be anyone doing any wardening at all, and so presumably the masquerade will have fallen or be falling and all hell will be breaking loose. How much time will Dresden have then?

To be honest, I think there is a bit of "golden-age" Dresden Files going on (and you're not the only one thinking it). Harry, and the story by extension, are not what they once were. The evolution from Wizard cross Dirty Harry into Wizard/Superhero and the case files going from literal detective case files (of a sort) to the journal entries of a legend in the making has happened. It was always going to happen. This was part of Jim's plan. It's no surprise either because Jim has told us since day one that he had a big apocalyptic trilogy planned. The series had to build up to that somehow. Dresden isn't going back to his roots for a long-time, maybe ever. We have to accept that and move on. Perhaps some fans will stop reading, but others will celebrate and new fans might join up. I for one want to see where the series is going, and am excited about it. I can always read the earlier cases if I am feeling a bit nostalgic. But better that Jim grows the series organically and logically rather than just going back to what worked for the sake of it, or worse for fan service.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 10, 2020, 08:10:40 AM ---Yes. I don't think all the other parties we see meeting in GS are just going to quit fighting the good fight if Marcone cuts ties with their "Chicago Alliance." Maybe they loose out on Castle Dresden, but Harry doesn't need that. But if the BFS/Chicago Alliance/whatever does collapse and go away, that's a reason why Harry should re-open his office, not a reason that he shouldn't.

I could see Harry not reopening his business. I just think it would be a really dumb move from an in universe perspective. It's a good way to have information show up on your door step. It's also a good way to launder his diamond money, but I doubt that will even come up in the books. He may or may not need more money than the money from the diamonds and his warden pay depending on how much he can get for the diamonds and a bunch of other factors we have little to no information on. As such, I'd want a good in universe explanation of why he's not doing it. (Just as a side note, the last in text job Harry had as Harry Dresden, P.I. was one month before Changes).

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I didn't say that the members of the Brighter Future Society would just stop fighting. They will likely just splinter off into their own factional group, as is often the case (unless they all die). But at that point unless everything calms down Harry will be too busy saving the world to go back to being his old self. The world will need Harry Dresden the superhero more than Harry Dresden the PI. There is strong evidence that the series won't calm down, that it will in fact get more wild. Hell, the blurb of Battle Grounds says the world changes forever. It would be a shirking of duty for Harry to bury his head in the sand and go back to his old life while the world is on fire around him, and completely out of character. Not to mention, if the world is burning down would there even BE any cops or clients to help him?




--- Quote from: Snark Knight on May 11, 2020, 03:40:55 AM ---
Per the conversation with Morgan about the job at the end of DB, Ramirez is also a regional commander, responsible for the west coast. He must have declined the Council trying to get him to manage both regions at once.

As for SI, I'm not too sure where they're going to stand on supernatural civilian vigilantes now that Harry is back in town. It probably depends how humanoid the creatures in question are, and exactly how clued the SI cops are. I don't get the impression Stallings knows as much as Rawlins, let alone on par with Murphy when she was in charge. Although the FBI building being gutted and the Fomor acting more openly probably should have forced Stallings to learn more than he knew as of Changes & Aftermath. I wouldn't count on SI being OK with exterminating things like whampires or technically-human turtlenecks, though. And executing a warlock was still something Murphy was really bothered by as of PG - I really wouldn't count on most of the rest of SI looking the other way for that.

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True enough, it would depend on how humanoid the creatures were. But it could also go the other way i.e. SI might retreat deeper into disbelief and ignorance rather than working harder to find out the truth. Aside from it getting the previous heads of SI fired and police from other units chucked into exile, the supernatural tends to make mortals retreat into delusion (which is really just an allegory for anything people don't understand well). It wouldn't surprise me for SI to work harder at making things look more normal as a response, because confronting the awful truth that there may be a big hidden world - a demimonde - out there would be too terrifying for most of them to contemplate. To some extent, the mortals already do that. Even the White Council when faced with an invisible new threat (the "black council") refused to acknowledge the conspiracy. There is a lot of precedent that says that SI might bury their heads. But even if they did look into it more, likely they would be shut down or Stallings fired, unless they did it very quietly. My guess is they just do their best not to rock the boat.

And I agree - even if they were available and Harry was to go back to full-time being a warden (big ifs), whose to say that the current version of SI would be as helpful as the old one (if not antagonistic).

Mira:

--- Quote ---Not what I meant. Carlos isn't Harry's junior perhaps in the White Council wardens (although I would point out that amoungst Wizards, and most of the supernatural community, seniority and age go hand in hand). Harry is the more experienced Wizard, and even amongst wardens of the same rank there is always unofficial ranking, which like most jobs tends to go to the most experienced and/or most respected person. Langtry likes Ramirez, but I think both he and harry hardly rank compared to what remains of the old guard. Beyond that though is the fact Harry is the more powerful person - not just magically but politically and personally. He commands a great deal of respect amongst the various powers, and represents a number of powerful individuals (and their "organizations"). Carlos by comparison is a well-liked, unofficial poster boy for the younger wardens. It doesn't even come close. It will be interesting to see how the Council treats him now that he is both Winter Knight, and the Warden of Demonreach. Carlos might have tacit authority, but commanding Harry would be like being the captain of a local men's basketball team when Labron James joins the team. The head of the club might have made you the captain, but leadership and power are more tenuous than titles would like them to be.
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Yeah, I think it comes down to the Senior Council doesn't fully trust Harry, never has.  You can begin with how Harry became a full wizard in the first place and the Doom he was placed under.  It was well aired back in Summer Knight when a number of them wanted Harry demoted back to apprentice.  I doubt that for a couple of them there is anything Harry can do to change that.  So
for the sake of unity on the Senior Council as well as the White Council, it is best that a noncontroversial person be in charge, thus Carlos gets a little more power than Harry in the command structure of the wardens.

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on May 12, 2020, 07:03:48 AM ---Not what I meant. Carlos isn't Harry's junior ...

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Okay. I still think Carlos would be picked, over Harry, for the same reasons as I said earlier. I also don't think anyone would be worried about offending Harry. Carlos is also picked over Harry for the same reason Carlos was picked over Eb. There was a better use for Eb.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on May 12, 2020, 07:03:48 AM ---it's no less true that had his tenure not been interrupted he would have been the one in charge.

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I'm not sure that's the case. Especially if he was still the Winter Knight in that hypothetical.

My point about Carlos being in the top fifth or fourth of wardens by age is more that there aren't a lot of older wardens to go around than Carlos is old because I agree that he isn't old.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on May 12, 2020, 07:03:48 AM ---You tell me where his free time is.
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He's got enough free time to investigate and solve a murder case that isn't his responsibility and plan a trip to the zoo between SG and PT.

I don't see S.I. ignoring Harry instead of giving him information. I don't see why they wouldn't at least hand him a copy of the file and be done with it. Murphy's bosses were never fine with routine S.I. cases being buried. They were constantly pressuring her to come up with answers. I don't think that will change.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on May 12, 2020, 07:03:48 AM ---[1]But the thing is - Harry hasn't been a warden in Chicago since Changes, and really he wasn't doing much warden stuff in that book. And now that he is back, I don't think he'll have much time to go back to his old routine. So the question you ask is somewhat redundant. [2]Besides, as I said before he can get information on the bigger problems he deals with from better sources like, I don't know, Mab and Kringle? You see where I am going here? [3]He is moving into the majors now - so having his old little league team come and support him (especially when there are so few of the original crew from those days still there) is kinda ridiculous. [4]Not to mention if the White Council falls there won't be anyone doing any wardening at all, and so presumably the masquerade will have fallen or be falling and all hell will be breaking loose. How much time will Dresden have then?
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1. Okay. This doesn't answer my question, but it shows me why you didn't answer it, which is better. If Harry stops being a warden and is always busy with a global crisis, then I can see him not keeping up with S.I. I don't think he will always be dealing with a global crisis though because that's basically Jim saying that there's a bunch of interesting stuff happening in Harry's life, but I'm not going to talk about it. Maybe he will completely change the format of the books to where they take place over longer periods of time, but I don't think so. The closest we've gotten to that was CD where the book literally takes place over a few months.

2. Using those sources always comes with a cost. I'm not sure he's going to keep turning to them for information. They might be the source of the future case files, but Harry will still need to work his sources when investigating the cases. Harry doesn't know which ones will be useful and which won't, so it wouldn't make sense for him to cut ties with S.I. The first case Mab gave him had Harry asking Karrin for information.

3. I'm not saying Harry is going to involve them in any of the action. Harry has always been the guy leveraging the little resources everyone else ignored. He used a bunch of pixies to kill a Lady. He still uses pixies. Harry has also always been playing out of his league (except maybe in SF).

4. If the White Council falls, then Harry will need all the support he can get.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on May 12, 2020, 07:03:48 AM ---But at that point unless everything calms down Harry will be too busy saving the world to go back to being his old self. The world will need Harry Dresden the superhero more than Harry Dresden the PI.
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When he's saving the world, he still needs information to do it. He got help from the "boats, boats, boats" guy in CD. Harry's still going to need information. He's still going to need to figure things out.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on May 12, 2020, 07:03:48 AM ---whose to say that the current version of SI would be as helpful as the old one (if not antagonistic).
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Whose to say they won't be more helpful? My point is I don't see why they would be unwilling to exchange information with Harry. The only reason Karrin lasted as long as she did in S.I. was because she had Harry's help. I could see Harry not needing their help in any of the books from here on out and Jim never mentioning them again. I don't think it's likely, especially the Jim just not mentioning it part, but I can see it. I'm not so sure about them not needing Harry's help. I can see them becoming antagonistic in a full breakdown of the masquerade that results in a general "burn the witch" atmosphere. That's the only reason I can see for Harry cutting ties with S.I.

I think Harry is still going to be a p.i., but I would agree that it will continue to play less and less of a role in the story than it has. I wouldn't be too surprised if it mostly only shows up in short stories at this point, but I think it will still be there at least in the background.

A big part of my point isn't that Harry's life is going to be so different, it's more that Harry doesn't know he's heading to the BAT. Harry's going to try to get his life as close to regular as he can if for no other reason than to fight the influence Winter on his life.

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---Okay. I still think Carlos would be picked, over Harry, for the same reasons as I said earlier. I also don't think anyone would be worried about offending Harry. Carlos is also picked over Harry for the same reason Carlos was picked over Eb. There was a better use for Eb.

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Fair enough, we can agree to disagree who would have got picked. It's a hypothetical situation anyway - Carlos is picked currently. As I said, I don't think anyone has really EVER worried about offending Harry. Although some are fairly wary of him considering his propensity for killing his enemies and often destroying their entire world. Eb wouldn't manage security as he is a Senior Council member now. At most he might manage the wardens, but I suspect that they all report to the Senior Council for different things.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---I'm not sure that's the case. Especially if he was still the Winter Knight in that hypothetical.

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For the hypothetical to work, Harry never became the Winter Knight. Because it seems pretty clear that no matter what choice Harry made, if he took any deal he would have tried to kill himself (and the Fallen would have crossed the line to push him to do it). What would have been interesting is if Harry hadn't hurt his back and taken a deal, but he and the Grey and the White Councils respectively had teamed up against the Reds. Would the outcome have been the same? Would Harry and his pals have survived? Would the Reds have been wiped out or merely defeated? Or would the Reds have won?


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---My point about Carlos being in the top fifth or fourth of wardens by age is more that there aren't a lot of older wardens to go around than Carlos is old because I agree that he isn't old.

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Yeah but being in the top 5th of oldest wardens is hardly the same as being "one of the oldest wardens". I agree there are not a lot of old wardens anymore and considering that of let's say 250 wardens, 2/3 are under 40 - it still doesn't really make Carlos one of the oldest. He is still in the bottom 2/3. But I do agree that of those younger wardens, he would be one of the oldest after Harry and possibly the most senior.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---He's got enough free time to investigate and solve a murder case that isn't his responsibility and plan a trip to the zoo between SG and PT.

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Which is the first amount of free time he has had since Skin Games ended. Between Changes and Skin Games (the last few years) he has had no free time. I suspect that this lull is just the calm before the storm anyhow.

Curiously, we know that the Christmas Eve short story is after Peace Talks but is it after Battle Grounds? Because the announcement was (and the story confirms) that it is after Peace Talks. But Jim and his team would have long known about the split into two books by that point. They obviously didn't want to reveal Battle Grounds at that point but I wonder if the fact that it is after Peace Talks is deliberate. Another moment of quiet before the inferno of Battle Grounds?


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---I don't see S.I. ignoring Harry instead of giving him information. I don't see why they wouldn't at least hand him a copy of the file and be done with it. Murphy's bosses were never fine with routine S.I. cases being buried. They were constantly pressuring her to come up with answers. I don't think that will change.

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They were constantly pressuring her to come up with NORMAL answers. Not the same as actually solving the case. You're working with how SI used to operate. Not how they might now. Lots has changed in the world, both in Dresden's supernatural world and ours. Chances are there would be new bosses, new appointments and perhaps even new politicians (potentially from another political party) than when Dresden worked with them. All of which would impact greatly on how the police operate, and would filter down to SI. Yes, it's all hypothetical but not unreasonable considering how much time has passed.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---1. Okay. This doesn't answer my question, but it shows me why you didn't answer it, which is better. If Harry stops being a warden and is always busy with a global crisis, then I can see him not keeping up with S.I. I don't think he will always be dealing with a global crisis though because that's basically Jim saying that there's a bunch of interesting stuff happening in Harry's life, but I'm not going to talk about it. Maybe he will completely change the format of the books to where they take place over longer periods of time, but I don't think so. The closest we've gotten to that was CD where the book literally takes place over a few months.

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Jim has actually used that technique before. He has talked mentioned about how Harry trained new wardens, Red Court skirmishes, learning secrets of Demonreach (particularly about activating the defenses), and some Winter Knight training. We always see Dresden's craziest moments, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have plenty of slightly less crazy days throughout the year. And Jim is changing the format of the books I believe. That is part of the reason for Peace Talks being split in two. Which isn't to say that he will extend the amount of time each book covers. But it doesn't mean that isn't the case either. We will just have to wait and see.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---2. Using those sources always comes with a cost. I'm not sure he's going to keep turning to them for information. They might be the source of the future case files, but Harry will still need to work his sources when investigating the cases. Harry doesn't know which ones will be useful and which won't, so it wouldn't make sense for him to cut ties with S.I. The first case Mab gave him had Harry asking Karrin for information.

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Indeed it does. However Harry's life is never all that easy, and more and more he has had to cross lines that he once wouldn't have dreamed of crossing. Things he thought were abhorrent, insane and forbidden. Which is deliberate on Jim's part of course. Who knows how far Harry will go. Exactly, he went to Karrin. His long time friend, ally and love interest. Not some police guys he hasn't worked with in years and barely knows. The last time he dealt with law enforcement a building of feds was slaughtered. I doubt he will go near them anytime soon.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---3. I'm not saying Harry is going to involve them in any of the action. Harry has always been the guy leveraging the little resources everyone else ignored. He used a bunch of pixies to kill a Lady. He still uses pixies. Harry has also always been playing out of his league (except maybe in SF).

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Look, I wouldn't put it past Jim to use them as a bit of a throwback and to add some extra red shirts to a scene. But that's all they will be. They won't be a long standing ally, and certainly not the same relationship that he previously had. Yes, Harry always is out of his league. All the more reason he doesn't want to involve innocent people. More blood on his hands. The last few books before Changes he explicitly tells Murphy that SI need to stay out of things as it would be a slaughter. He has come a long way and understood the problem of involving mortals much more than in the early series. These days though - when he fights in a heavier weight class he tends to bring his own heavies and tips the scales. He is fighting smarter now.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---4. If the White Council falls, then Harry will need all the support he can get.
When he's saving the world, he still needs information to do it. He got help from the "boats, boats, boats" guy in CD. Harry's still going to need information. He's still going to need to figure things out.

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I agree he will need all the help he can get. But it won't be from cops to solve murder mysteries. The only help they will be is an extra red shirt. Harry may have no choice but to recruit them. But assuming that Titan hasn't burned down Chicago after Battle Grounds, I think they will be too busy in clean up mode. If they survive the assault at all.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---Whose to say they won't be more helpful? My point is I don't see why they would be unwilling to exchange information with Harry. The only reason Karrin lasted as long as she did in S.I. was because she had Harry's help. I could see Harry not needing their help in any of the books from here on out and Jim never mentioning them again. I don't think it's likely, especially the Jim just not mentioning it part, but I can see it. I'm not so sure about them not needing Harry's help. I can see them becoming antagonistic in a full breakdown of the masquerade that results in a general "burn the witch" atmosphere. That's the only reason I can see for Harry cutting ties with S.I.

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Me. They can't help against these types of issues. They just are not trained or equipped for fighting the supernatural. They would be hard pressed to contain a sorcerer. The Loup-Garou slaughtered them. Against a flat-out Fomor assault...well, it wouldn't be pretty. Karrin lost her job because of Harry. If anything, her whole tragedy is that she refused to look the other way. Which is why Rudolph was so successful. Had she turned more weird cases into nice, neat normal solved cases she wouldn't have stayed in SI long. She might not have even ever gone to SI. I guess we will wait and see what happens with SI. But I would point out that they haven't been actively involved in the series for a long time. I think since Turn Coat, and that was really only Murphy. The last time any of them were on-screen before that was Small Favor.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---I think Harry is still going to be a p.i., but I would agree that it will continue to play less and less of a role in the story than it has. I wouldn't be too surprised if it mostly only shows up in short stories at this point, but I think it will still be there at least in the background.

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It will have to be a wait and see. But officially, he is dead. And even if somehow that has changed/changes - I doubt he will go back to it. But perhaps there will be lulls and he will have time in the short stories.


--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 12, 2020, 06:04:03 PM ---A big part of my point isn't that Harry's life is going to be so different, it's more that Harry doesn't know he's heading to the BAT. Harry's going to try to get his life as close to regular as he can if for no other reason than to fight the influence Winter on his life.

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True. Only a few clued in people know the shape of what's coming. And how soon. I agree that Harry will do his best to get back to his old life. But he also has to be a Dad now. So to some degree I think he will be just doing his best to create a new life. I also suspect a new love interest is incoming if Murphy dies and/or if she can no longer be looked after by the Carpenters when Harry is busy. At the very least it will help him balance his parenting duties. On the other hand, Butcher might just do the single Dad route for a while. Harry had that and he turned out...well, he is mostly alright. Certainly not a complete mess.

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