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Faerie Queens -- six of them? Really? (a WAG)

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g33k:
Mab and Titania "have not met face to face in over 1000 years."  Possibly since becoming the Queens.

The Ladies occasionally meet, but... hrm... have we ever seen them meet not "under the influence" of Nemesis?

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Mothers Summer & Winter ... cohabit??!?

The most-primal & most-potent forms of these diametrically-opposed forces share one corner of the Nevernever, and a... cozy little cabin?

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WAG:

Harry will have to kill them both.  They are Nemfected, and have been for a long time (maybe since the White Council got the Blackstaff -- maybe that weakness is what let in Nemesis...?) .

They tried to use Harry to pass Winter's Unravelling to the Summer Lady.

Harry did a Summoning for Mother Winter; he called her Skuld.  He called her Atropos.

When Mother Winter told Mother Summer that Harry had used certain names, she asked and was told there was one particular Name that Harry hadn't used.  Then they left the topic.

What name might it have been?  What name would be particularly problematic?
Hecate is the "obvious" answer for a "True Name," but... I don't think that would be particularly problematic (for either or both of the Mothers).

Maybe some other deep mythological name.  Asherah, as the nominal "wife of Yahweh" (very opposed by most of Abrahamic faith), etc.

But I think the MOST problematic Name for Harry to have maybe used would have been Nemesis.

If Harry was performing a Major Summoning and linking Mother Winter with Nemesis... that'd be bad for their long-term planning.

Very, very bad!

nadia.skylark:
I'm pretty sure that if the Mothers could break the rules the way that Nemesis allows, then reality would already have been destroyed, considering that it is those rules that prevent them from interfering with the Queens and Ladies. If that no longer applied, then they could just kill Mab (and almost certainly an enormous portion of her forces at the Outer Gates) at an opportune time for the Outsiders.

Avernite:
In some sense, Mother Winter indeed has elements of Nemesis-the-goddess

But, Hades' vault kind of smacked us in the face with the Hecate connection. In other words, Hecate MUST be a name to use for the Queens together, or only the Mothers. In any case, I'd say it's canon.

And, I'm pretty sure Mother Summer was too helpful in Cold Case if she was a secret Outsider agent.

g33k:

--- Quote from: nadia.skylark on April 25, 2020, 01:24:13 PM --- I'm pretty sure that if the Mothers could break the rules the way that Nemesis allows, then reality would already have been destroyed, considering that it is those rules that prevent them from interfering with the Queens and Ladies. If that no longer applied, then they could just kill Mab (and almost certainly an enormous portion of her forces at the Outer Gates) at an opportune time for the Outsiders.
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It might be that this is one of the things that could release an Archangel to act with full power, within the world.  If Raphael or one of the others decided that the Mothers in fact would not kill Mab or the other forces at the Outer Gate... I don't think the Mothers could do it.

Not to mention how then Creation would spot the Nemfection, and Mab & Titania would get promoted in short order.

Nemesis prefers covert actions.
 

g33k:

--- Quote from: Avernite on April 25, 2020, 02:21:25 PM ---In some sense, Mother Winter indeed has elements of Nemesis-the-goddess

But, Hades' vault kind of smacked us in the face with the Hecate connection. In other words, Hecate MUST be a name to use for the Queens together, or only the Mothers. In any case, I'd say it's canon.
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Agreed, Hades' vault DID smack us in the face!

And that's so very, VERY like Jim Butcher's M.O., hmmm?

I can agree that Hecate IS canon as one of the Names that Harry could have used (but it might have gotten Mothers Summer AND Winter... or a trinity of Lady / Queen / Mother...).

That doesn't preclude the name "Nemesis" from also being a valid Name.

As I WAG'ed above, I think Mother Summer was concerned about what Name Harry might have used, and Mother Winter reassured her it wasn't "that" name; I just don't think "Hecate" would have been concerning in the way "that" Name seems to have been...
 

--- Quote from: Avernite on April 25, 2020, 02:21:25 PM --- ... And, I'm pretty sure Mother Summer was too helpful in Cold Case if she was a secret Outsider agent.
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I think you mean Cold Days (the novel between GS & SG); not Cold Case (the short featuring Molly LadyWinter in Alaska)...?

One of the things people have noticed is that a bunch of the major players seem to be "grooming" Harry.  Training him in specific ways, prodding him to this goal or that.  Even 16yo Harry's fight with HWWBh is WAG'ed to have been more the Outsider evaluating/pushing Harry, than any sort of "fight."

I have no problem with the idea that a Nemfect'ed Mother Summer might have been "helpful" to Harry in ways that advantage a long-term plan, at the apparent expense of a short-term plan...

For example, I have separately WAG'ed that the REAL point of the Cold Days assault upon Demonreach was NOT to breach the entire island wide open.  It was to provide  cover for the underwater action, the REAL plan:
 the Fomor's jailbreak of a single entity... who features prominently in Battle Ground.

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