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morriswalters:
A bootstrap paradox is simply broken cause and effect.
Yuillegan:
BA - My apologies, I didn't explain that well. I was being brief, but yes I appreciate there is a difference between not liking Time Travel stories and not liking incest Time Travel stories. And I agree that it is hard to do right - it often depends on which scientific theories the author uses (and how well they understand them) or choose not to use (for that matter). I suspect Jim will use a light touch as it is just a lot less risky, and because as Vadderung points out it is very, very difficult.
The Odin-as-a-sire theory is an interesting one, and also hints at the greater question of the origins of practitioners in general. Are they like x-men mutants, a separate or higher evolved beings? Were they tampered with by the early gods for some purpose? Are they the spawn of mortals and supernatural beings, maybe even gods or angels etc? Perhaps they are remnants of an earlier race of men, like the Hyborians? Or is it just something that each human has a small potential of, perhaps because they have a soul (which I believe Harry has hinted at)?
Morris - Time is relative, time clearly passes at the Gates or quite literally nothing would have taken place. Or everything would have taken place all at once, and likely Harry would not have been able to survive either way. Although I think it is highly likely time passes at a completely different rate to Harry's Earth. It almost certainly isn't in sync. Which isn't to say events on Earth, or events at the Gates don't effect each other. But who the hell knows how?
Yes I agree, Jim can make it whatever he wants it to be. Although he almost certainly will break cause and effect. All that stuff about Intellectus beings not even understanding cause and effect really, hint at that. How you deal with that is up to you, but he might do it well. Stranger things have happened.
Often Time Travel, at least in the past, was used as a narrative device with no bearing really on physics. And it only operated to service the story, and so was only considered good or bad on how well it did that. Unfortunately, a lot of reviewers and writers learnt from that school and still see it that way. I think the modern audience however is tired of that and expects a higher standard. Avengers Infinity War shows that (even if they violated their own rules, they did point out the ridiculousness of previous Time Travel rules and how audiences want more). Dr Who hardly even cares, because like Harry Potter the show is less about the magic rules and more about the story. Which seems strange in a show about a Time Traveller, but there you go.
Better TT rules are more about limits, and things like relativity than straight up teleporting up and down the time stream. But that's just my opinion. The universe gives no free lunch!
I like that silly WAG. Maybe that's the real story because it is so ridiculous that Jim thought no one wold be squirrel-y enough to think of it!
morriswalters:
It makes as much sense as magic Gates and a wall keeping the Outsiders from our reality. However I'm not married to the idea, I just offered it.
Jim has already given us most of the rules on time travel in the Dresdenverse. He uses the metaphor of a river in the law against time travel, thou shall not swim against the currents of time, or something close to that. And what rears its ugly little head in Changes, but a river that flows backwards in time. Which Jim highlights for us.
He then has Vadderung tell you what breaking cause and effect does. It splits off a new branch on the tree of time. And Jim then tells you that he is going to explore one of those branches in Mirror Mirror.
In my silly WAG Jim would avoid the bootstrap paradox by having Harry never know the meaning of any of the things he uses until after they have been used. He gets the knowledge to build the tools in the future. Thus Vadderung's, perhaps you've already done it comment. The river only flows backwards so once he uses it he can't get back. He stops five times on the way back to build the prison. The only way to get back is to hide in stasis and come back in a cell in Demonreach. End silly wag. I'm not married to this either. :) But it is mostly consistent and doesn't seem to break cause and effect.
Yuillegan:
Well that's true I suppose, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Jim should follow his own rules, at least.
Yeah, that was a bit of a hit with the clue bat. I suspect we will see time travel a few times before all is said and done. But man I hope he gets it right.
My word your mind is fertile. You WAG would make for an interesting parody I suspect!
morriswalters:
Jim should do whatever his heart tells him to do. He's done pretty good to this point so I doubt I would be disappointed with whatever his choices might be. But I have seen authors run off the rails and lose the narrative trying to be cute. The Iron Druid did this, and I gave it up.
He has shown a disturbing tendency to run on and not keep the story telling as tight as it could be. It's mentioned in an interview somewhere. Peace Talks appears to be just the kind of error. Essentially as described it appears to be one book padded to make two. How well that will work will only be known after the fact.
You say fertile, my wife on the other hand says twisted. In any case since I won't be here for the BAT, so that is how my version ends.
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