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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Dina:
I don't think Harry is aware that Ivy knows about Kinkaid.
morriswalters:
I don't think it would have made any difference. Obviously he was influenced by a Fallen.
But Jim writes him as a man with a monomania focused around a child he had never seen. He blames Susan for being rational and hiding Maggie, throws Molly under the bus, and after it's all said and done, does what Susan did, try to hide Maggie from himself, and then goes and makes her an orphan by committing suicide by proxy. Which causes a breakdown between the Archive and her companion.
The monomania was why it took only seven words. Having said that, it gave Jim an excuse to write Ghost Story, which is a 51 chapter apology to Molly.
forumghost:
I mean being entirely fair, the only person Susan was actually hiding Maggie from was Harry.
Even without Martin turning traitor, the Red Court would have found her, seeing as Susan's "Brilliant Plan" was to "hide" Maggie In Red Court Territory, where she would go to visit her, while actively battling the Red Court, and being a known ex-lover of Dresden, who was in Chicago around 9 months prior to her Birth.
It's almost as moronic as her plan to break in to a Vampire Masquerade Ball, and proves that she learned nothing from that whole endeavor.
Mira:
--- Quote from: forumghost on March 13, 2020, 04:27:34 AM ---I mean being entirely fair, the only person Susan was actually hiding Maggie from was Harry.
Even without Martin turning traitor, the Red Court would have found her, seeing as Susan's "Brilliant Plan" was to "hide" Maggie In Red Court Territory, where she would go to visit her, while actively battling the Red Court, and being a known ex-lover of Dresden, who was in Chicago around 9 months prior to her Birth.
It's almost as moronic as her plan to break in to a Vampire Masquerade Ball, and proves that she learned nothing from that whole endeavor.
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Yeah, it is sad how Susan was portrayed when you think about it. Harry kept saying how smart she was, but in reality she was merely ambitious, that led her to her first mistake going to that party that was a den of vampires.. Then she had the audacity not to tell Harry about little Maggie because she claimed he'd put her in danger. Yes, I can understand a mother's need not to want to give up her child, but in truth she was only thinking of herself and not the danger she opened her daughter up to.
--- Quote ---Suicide is a selfish action. It may not seem like it is to the person contemplating it, but it is. I am forgetting about the push he got from Lasciel, though, so maybe I'm being too harsh on him.
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It has often been said that suicide is a selfish action, but the ones saying it usually are the ones left behind and expressing anger towards the one who took his or her own life for causing them pain. It isn't so simple, it is more of a terminal mental illness, the pain is so great the person who does it sees no other way out. Harry's reasons are a bit more complex, he only knew Slate and he didn't want to become like him or be Mab's toy, but he had no options if he wanted to save his daughter. I believe that he believed that by killing himself he save lives in the long run.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: forumghost on March 13, 2020, 04:27:34 AM ---I mean being entirely fair, the only person Susan was actually hiding Maggie from was Harry.
Even without Martin turning traitor, the Red Court would have found her, seeing as Susan's "Brilliant Plan" was to "hide" Maggie In Red Court Territory, where she would go to visit her, while actively battling the Red Court, and being a known ex-lover of Dresden, who was in Chicago around 9 months prior to her Birth.
It's almost as moronic as her plan to break in to a Vampire Masquerade Ball, and proves that she learned nothing from that whole endeavor.
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Jim has Uriel call out Harry's behavior in Ghost Story. And Mab puts a coda on it in Cold Days. Unless I went off the rails in my understanding of what Ghost Story and Cold Days were supposed to represent in Harry's development as a character, it is about choices both good and bad that Harry makes and what it costs those people around him.
If you devalue Susan's choices, you devalue what it cost Harry to make his. The Archive's interaction with Kincaid is just another example of that. Jim has Harry's friends pay high prices to be associated with him.
Suicide, normally, is a uniquely personal act, taken in isolation. Harry's isn't that and it's unfair to compare it to some person who just can't see a way forward. Harry's is calculated, and involves people outside of himself who pay a price to help him get out from under.
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