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Kincaid microfiction "Goodbye"
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 13, 2020, 12:48:23 PM ---Yup, you are wrong... Luccio, Small Favor page 408
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No, you're wrong. It doesn't matter what Luccio says unless Luccio knows more about the Oblivion War than the Venatori like Thomas and Lara, and Luccio spreads it around by telling the truth about the Archives true nature instead of being smart enough to know that's an absolutely stupid idea and keep spreading the lie that the Archive is just a hedge against a cataclysmic disaster. Luccio doesn't know about the Oblivion War.
--- Quote from: Mira on May 13, 2020, 12:48:23 PM ---The Archive is the collective written memory of mankind, that makes it a bit different from Marcone.
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It doesn't make them any different under the Accords.
Mira:
I rather take Luccio's word for it, she goes into a lot of detail as a warning to Harry..
1] page 407 Small Favor about the importance of the host keeping emotionally remote from the
Archive.
--- Quote ---Archive keeps it's host emotionally remote for a reason--because otherwise the passions and prejudices and hatreds and jealousies of thousands of lifetimes have the potential to distill themselves into a single being.
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She goes on to say on the next page 408 that the host keeps her emotions separate from that of the Archive, least all those lifetimes of emotions over run her and she goes out of control.
Then she says
--- Quote ---The Archive was created to be a neutral force. A repository of knowledge.
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There is no quibble there, the Archive doesn't take sides any more than a computer does.
--- Quote ---What she is bound to in terms of neutrality is vague when dealing with the Accords (is it because of her position in the accords or because of what she is), but is less vague in response to Dresden's call in Changes. In response to not getting much response Harry complained and Kincaid said, "But she isn't free to share her knowledge like you or me. When she says she can't tell you, she's being literal. She physically cannot let such information leave her head." So clearly Ivy does experience some limits on what she is and isn't allowed to do with her power/knowledge from the Archive, which may be described as being required to stay neutral.
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Yes, and her life time or life times of emotional bias cannot enter into the computing the Archive does.. 1] It would drive her mad. 2] It would make her one of the most powerful forces in the world.
Bad Alias:
It doesn't matter what characters who don't even know about the Oblivion War say about the Archive. Give me a reason why they should be believed when they are wrong about what the Archive even is. Until someone can do that, it does absolutely nothing to advance your argument when you repeat what those characters have said. They don't know. They are basing their reasoning on lies.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on May 13, 2020, 07:17:53 PM ---It doesn't matter what characters who don't even know about the Oblivion War say about the Archive. Give me a reason why they should be believed when they are wrong about what the Archive even is. Until someone can do that, it does absolutely nothing to advance your argument when you repeat what those characters have said. They don't know. They are basing their reasoning on lies.
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--- Quote ---The Archives official role is a cover story, the Archive was created specifically for the Oblivion War since it's a war that by definition is fought over generations they needed a way to secure knowledge between centuries. The Archive monitors any mention of any Old Once and once they appear to be forgotten she holds on to the name for a few hundred years to be sure and then deletes it from her memory casting that particular god in to oblivion
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Which makes it the most neutral of neutral entities..
--- Quote ---Yes, the Archive (and Ivy, the two aren’t really divisible) know about these forgotten beings. The Archive is in essence the keeper of the dead, where they are concerned. Once the archive believes one of them has been consigned to oblivion, she holds on to the memory of that being briefly, for another thousand years or so, watching for any mention of that being in print in an effort to make sure that she is the last person alive who remembers whichever hideous entity has been consigned.
And once the safety period has elapsed, and the Archive is confident that no one else remembers, she deletes the memory from the Archive. Bad guy, gone.
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That makes it an umpire so to speak, neutral..
Bad Alias:
Your first quote is from Anubissama on reddit. I don't know why we should care what this person says. Anyway "casting that ... god into oblivion" doesn't seem like a neutral act to me. Even if all that is "neutral," it doesn't mean the Archive is incapable of acting in a non neutral way.
Your second quote is actually from Jim, but you left off the next couple of paragraphs that show the Archive is the opposite of neutral, what Kincaid says doesn't matter, and that the bound by neutrality is "smoke and mirrors."
--- Quote ---She also tries to keep track of the enemy players in the Oblivion War via watching for communications and so on. When she finds a trace of them, somewhere, she lets a cell of operatives (like Lara and Thomas) know what’s up, through a blind drop, and sends them off to handle the problem.
The Oblivion War is a huge, slow thing. Stuff happens every few decades, at most. That’s why the Archive was created–to be an immortal awareness, something that could track and intelligently direct responses to the enemy in a war happening on an almost geological scale.
All that other stuff she says the Archive is for? Smoke and mirrors. :)
Kincaid, by the way, has no idea that the Oblivion War exists. It isn’t like Ivy explains this stuff. She just gives orders. :)
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(Emphasis added). The Archive is a general in a secret war. How is that neutral? She sends Thomas out to kill people. That's neutral? How?!
Further, your quote has refuted the argument that the Archive is bound to neutrality but Ivy isn't.
--- Quote ---the Archive (and Ivy, the two aren’t really divisible)
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