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Margaret and The Circle

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Mira:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on February 29, 2020, 03:37:22 PM ---The suspect pool isn't that wide. Hellfire is limited to either full Denarians or those carrying a shadow, and spell-slingers are a minority among the thirty. Anduriel, Deirdre's partner, Magog, Ursiel and the cannon fodder from Small Favor don't seem to go for hellfire-powered offensive magic.

It wasn't Harry & Lash. It could pretty readily have been Namshiel, Tessa, Rosanna, or any combination of the three. Otherwise, there's an outside chance of Saluriel or a an unknown caster among the Church's unnamed prisoners having escaped and bonded with a host suitable for using hellfire. But that's pretty much the suspect pool.

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Yeah,  I think Hell Fire was limited to the wizard Namshiel,  I really don't remember anyone else slinging it, but my brain isn't working very well today..

Bad Alias:
Harry coined the term Black Council because there was something shady going on that required mortal magic (summoning Outsiders).

I think it is at least useful to use the terms Black Council, the Circle, and Nemesis as three separate things until we know they aren't. The Black Council would be a conspiracy of dark wizards. The Circle would be a conspiracy of various supernatural entities/players. And Nemesis would be Nemesis. If they are all things, then I'd be pretty sure there is overlap. Using the terms interchangeably can only breed confusion.

Peabody is at least suggested to be linked to someone else in Turn Coat. Two unidentified people show up on Demonreach.

I'd say Cowl's statement about the Circle is direct, not circumstantial, evidence of a conspiracy.

Any angel, Denarian or otherwise, can use Hellfire. (Jim has intimated that only fallen angels would).

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Mira on February 29, 2020, 05:24:47 PM ---Yeah,  I think Hell Fire was limited to the wizard Namshiel,  I really don't remember anyone else slinging it, but my brain isn't working very well today..

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I'm not actually sure whether Tessa and Rosanna were actually seen to use it on page. Rosanna did some fire magic, but I forget whether it was boosted with hellfire or not. I don't think Tessa showed any, but she was pulling her punches at the Shedd - it's almost certain she's capable of it when she's going all out.

didymos:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on February 29, 2020, 06:52:10 PM ---I'm not actually sure whether Tessa and Rosanna were actually seen to use it on page. Rosanna did some fire magic, but I forget whether it was boosted with hellfire or not.

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It was when she used it on Demonreach:


--- Quote ---Rosanna howled, and called fire—specifically Hellfire—into her spread hands, while Thorned Namshiel lifted his hand into the air and gathered flickers of green lightning between his fingertips.

Butcher, Jim. Small Favor (The Dresden Files, Book 10) (p. 354). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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--- Quote --- I don't think Tessa showed any, but she was pulling her punches at the Shedd - it's almost certain she's capable of it when she's going all out.

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I can't find anything about her using it. I agree she can though.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on February 29, 2020, 03:37:22 PM --- ... Hellfire is limited to either full Denarians or those carrying a shadow ...
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I'm not sure of that; not sure at all ...

Traditionally, "Hell" is in the business of winning/buying souls for the "other side," and one of their traditional gambits/coins is power.  Teaching little warlocks how to summon Hellfire (without needing a coin) looks like an awfully good deal for Team Hell.

I grant that we haven't (yet) seen ordinary-warlock / non-Denarian use of Hellfire, but I don't see any a priori / theoretical Dresdenverse limit that rules it out.

I'd love a WoJ that would clarify the point!
 

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