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How to break the Lady's Mantles.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on April 08, 2020, 08:12:00 PM ---I would get the Ladies being unable to have sex with other Sidhe if it was Maiden, Mother, Crone. If that's part of the mantles, then it makes sense. I'm pretty sure they were based on that archetype/trope, so I don't find it too out of place.
I'm taking this to mean you're ruling out events that don't take place between Storm Front and Skin Games because there's only been two to five on screen sex scenes (unless we count the porno sets as on screen). But the "on screen" point just goes to my point that Harry is the focal point, and there are a host of reasons making it hard for him to get any; he's shy, doesn't look people in the eye, isn't up for hook-ups or even casual relationships, definitely isn't doing any of the online dating or dating apps, one of his first date answer's is "wizard," and then there's the complexity of that last bit being true. I'm kinda surprised he's gotten laid at all.
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He has power. That is attractive to some women.
g33k:
Yeah, I think the "Maiden/Mother/Crone" trope is pretty clear.
The Ladies (Summer and Winter both) cannot have sex. Their Mantles prevent it. "Nubile Virgin" is the archetype.
But I would argue it's NOT a case of "just below the age of consent.". Rather the opposite -- just arrived, just AT the age of consent... and frozen there eternally. This "Maiden" is not girlish, not too young.
But yeah, that's actually kind if a sign of Dresdenverse sexuality (or at least D'v fae sexuality) being kind of screwed up; the archtype is all kinds of fucked-up... a technically-not-fucked version of fucked-up, I guess.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 08, 2020, 08:36:01 PM ---He has power. That is attractive to some women.
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But only to women who know magic is real. To the rest, it's kooky. Also, poor isn't generally attractive to women.
All that being said, I've seen some attractive (not just physically) women with some absolute losers, so Dresden should be able to find somebody.
123Chikadee:
@g33k: Yeah, pretty much. Plus the triple goddess idea is actually more recent then most think. IIRC, it's more of a neo-pagen thing.
@Arjan: All that stuff is true, but it's the Doylist, in-universe reasonings. It's just that Butcher wrote it that way and some aspects are a little icky to me.
@Yuillegan: Yeah, I just feel like a lot of those reasons are flimsy, even if we do need to have to know about the other characters sex lives for whatever reasons.
Honestly, I think a lot of that puritanical ideas are subconscious ones and he doesn't think too deeply about it. I'm not that wild about the ideas about sex that are put forward here, esp the idea of lust as a negative emotion.
And to be even more honest- and this is probably an unpopular opinion- but I found the Winter mantles problematic. There doesn't need to be all those rapetacular vibes for the knights, as rape isn't about sex. The 'sex' is just the means to an end so that the rapist can exert power in one of the most painful, angry way that they can. Even if the rapist believes that sex and rape go together, they're wrong. I'm getting tired of having rape and sex drive being connotative together within the series.
Plus, the idea that Molly can't have sex is weird b/c it just takes away more of her agency for titillation. It's inconsistent with what's been previously unwritten and also just isn't needed. I don't think posting links is allowed and even if it was, I wouldn't do it. But xserpx and davetheshady on tublr make much more salient points on this regarding Cold Case.
I would have thought, if keeping Winter numbers up for fighting Outsiders is needed, why don't they reproduce asexually, like some type of cell division that could be a cool bit of world building. Make the fae more alien as well.
But yeah.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on April 08, 2020, 11:14:59 PM ---But only to women who know magic is real. To the rest, it's kooky. Also, poor isn't generally attractive to women.
All that being said, I've seen some attractive (not just physically) women with some absolute losers, so Dresden should be able to find somebody.
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But for that you have to go out and meet people. You have to do things with people to get to know them. Never socializing with the rest of the white council also means not meeting woman who will appreciate his talents.
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