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toodeep:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 02, 2020, 10:02:59 PM ---It's in the text. I don't know what to say other than that.
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It's in the text that that is what Harry believes. We all know that Harry doesn't always see all the angles.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on March 02, 2020, 10:02:59 PM ---It's in the text. I don't know what to say other than that.
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It's muddy though, because the Archive doesn't totally run the show, the Host has some control, at the same time the Archive influences the Host heavily.. If I understand Luccio correctly the danger in giving the current Host her name, Ivy, and treating her like a real little girl, she will become normal, emotionally. The theory goes if that happens she will react to all the resentments and injustices that past Hosts have felt because the Archive will have passed them on to her. If that happens things can get out of control rather quickly because she still has human free will, so it is best if she stays coldly remote emotionally.
morriswalters:
Ivy isn't fully human and it's why the Council fears her. She also a Signatory of the Accords and according to canon,
--- Quote ---Most people who consider the idea aren't willing to agree to be a good, traditional host for, let's say, a group of Black Court vampires, and don't want to get caught up as a mediator in a dispute between the major powers. They don't want to make themselves the targets of possible challenges, either, so not many of them even try it." I rubbed at my jaw. "And no one who is just a vanilla human being has tried it. Marcone is breaking new ground."
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As to the Hobs.
--- Quote ---“Why?” I demanded. “Why did you want the Denarians stopped? Why send the hobs to kill the Archive? Why recruit me to save the Archive and Marcone in the event that the hobs failed?”
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--- Quote ---Mab showed me her snow-white teeth. “The Watchman and I,” Grimalkin mewled for her, “had a common enemy this day. The enemy could not be allowed to gain the power represented by the child Archive.”
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Once the Archive inhabits the host the only way to lose it is to kill yourself. This is what Ivy's mother did.
kbrizzle:
@toodeep
1. Did the hobs actually kill anyone in the train station? All we know is that they were sent to attack the Archive’s train. I do think it’s possible that Nfected Maeve sent the hobs.
2. Note what Kincaid tells Harry in Changes when Harry seeks Ivy’s help in finding Maggie Jr - Ivy literally cannot help Harry. This leads me to believe that Ivy only has limited free will at best - kind of like the Summer or Winter Knight (we see what happens to Harry when he says to screw Winter Law in CD).
didymos:
--- Quote from: kbrizzle on March 03, 2020, 06:26:32 PM ---1. Did the hobs actually kill anyone in the train station?
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Yes:
--- Quote ---Not that I could blame him. Not all the remains I’d passed had been those of hobs.
Three security guards were down, one maybe ten feet from the stairs, the other two on the stairway itself. They had fallen separately in the darkness.
I’d passed several other bloodstains that had almost certainly been fatal to their donors, unless the falling water had made them look more extensive than they actually were. I’d never encountered hobs face-to-face before, but I knew enough about them to hope that whoever had spilled that blood was dead. Hobs had a habit of hauling victims back into their lightless tunnels.
Butcher, Jim. Small Favor (The Dresden Files, Book 10) (pp. 206-207). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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