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Mira:
--- Quote from: didymos on February 26, 2020, 06:13:33 PM ---Uriel is an archangel, so just because a mortal body in his guise remained at the Carpenter house, doesn't mean it was really him.. It could have been Michael in a different guise.. I know it is very tin hat, but read those pages, it just got me wondering..
It reads to me like maybe Uriel preloaded a Message for Michael to deliver, but to be honest, I'm not sure exactly what Harry meant there.
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Exactly, that is why I am thinking, "wait a minute, prerecorded message from Uriel?" Or did Uriel pull a real fast one, as in go himself to balance out Andruiel? I guess it comes down to how one defines what an angel's "Grace" really is. It isn't exactly a mantle that can be transferred from one body to another.. Or more like Andruiel is trapped in the coin, Uriel merely moved into Michael's body for the mission..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 26, 2020, 08:45:07 PM --- ... I guess it comes down to how one defines what an angel's "Grace" really is. It isn't exactly a mantle that can be transferred from one body to another ...
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Except: evidently it is.
That's the prima facie reading of the text.
I suspect it's a bit more complicated than most mantles, but evidence says that "Divine Grace" in the Dresdenverse is in fact a special form of "mantle."
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 27, 2020, 05:17:41 PM ---Except: evidently it is.
That's the prima facie reading of the text.
I suspect it's a bit more complicated than most mantles, but evidence says that "Divine Grace" in the Dresdenverse is in fact a special form of "mantle."
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Most likely a lot more complicated, we know mantles influence the holder a lot unless the holder has a very strong will. At least that is what we've seen as far as the Fae mantles go including the ones the Knights hold. Now maybe because as a Holy Knight Michael would be simpatico with the Grace of an archangel, but he didn't seem troubled by it's presence. Different from ordinary mantles, the Grace was able to come out and speak as Uriel, though all of it came out of Michael's mouth it was apart from him. It was enough to make Harry call Uriel, "a sneaky bastard.." Which says there is a lot more to this than we thought.. Supposedly Uriel was lending Michael the controls to the jet, but was he really?
morriswalters:
This, in fact, is answered in the conclusion isn't it? When Nicodemus's followers are stripped from him. And just because Uriel loaned Michael his grace doesn't mean he can't speak through him. You've now seen what happens when you strip the Arch from the Archangel.
didymos:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 27, 2020, 06:37:48 PM ---This, in fact, is answered in the conclusion isn't it? When Nicodemus's followers are stripped from him. And just because Uriel loaned Michael his grace doesn't mean he can't speak through him. You've now seen what happens when you strip the Arch from the Archangel.
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More like what happens when you strip the Archangel from Archangel:
--- Quote ---“So he couldn’t change you,” I said. “And he couldn’t change the world around you, at least not of his own will. But he could change himself. So he gave you his power in order to make your body function the way it used to. That way it isn’t his will that’s using the power. It’s yours.” The throbbing had begun to recede, slowly, and I looked up. “It’s way more than you needed, but it’s the only unit he had to work with. It’s as if . . . he loaned you his giant passenger jet because you needed a reading light.” I eyed the angel. “Right?”
Uriel nodded and said, “Close enough.”
Butcher, Jim. Skin Game: A Novel of the Dresden Files (pp. 252-253). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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He loaned him his entire power. No cool angel tricks at all. He's mortal:
--- Quote ---“What happens to you, while I . . . borrow your jet?” Michael asked.
“Transubstantiation,” Uriel said. He gestured with his bloodied fingers.
Butters finally chimed in. “Holy. Crap. He’s mortal?”
“And he can die,” I said quietly.
Butcher, Jim. Skin Game: A Novel of the Dresden Files (p. 253). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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