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g33k:
--- Quote from: didymos on February 26, 2020, 03:55:45 PM --- Considering Uriel was walking around the Carpenter's place at the time, I don't see how he was in Michael's body.
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It's called "bilocation" -- being in two (or more) places at once -- and it's a widely embraced idea in multiple religions, folklores, etc. I'm sure that Jim knows of it.
--- Quote ---The concept of bilocation has appeared in early Greek philosophy,[2] shamanism,[3] paganism,[4] folklore,[3] occultism, magic,[5] the paranormal,[6] Hinduism (as one of the siddhis),[7] spiritualism, Theosophy,[8] the New Age[9] and mysticism in general,[10] as well as Christian mysticism[11] and Jewish mysticism.[12]
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(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilocation#History)
But even if the words weren't Michael's (and I'm not at all convinced that Michael wouldn't have said everything (what's the cite that indicates someone else speaking?)) we know from Murphy at Chichen Itza that someone holding a Sword for the Divine sometimes becomes a Speaker for the Divine, too. Maybe Uriel, but maybe another angel, or even TWG inspiring the speech directly.
didymos:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 26, 2020, 04:54:33 PM ---It's called "bilocation" -- being in two (or more) places at once -- and it's a widely embraced idea in multiple religions, folklores, etc. I'm sure that Jim knows of it. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilocation#History)
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Yes, but there's no evidence angels can do that in the Dresdenverse.
g33k:
--- Quote from: didymos on February 26, 2020, 05:06:51 PM --- Yes, but there's no evidence angels can do that in the Dresdenverse.
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Unless this scene is that evidence. ;-) I note that bilocation appears MUCH more clearly -- in Christian tradition -- as something Saints do, moreso than angels. For whatever that is worth, since we're talking Dresdenverse rather than RW tradition.
I think we should take the phenomenon of "bilocation" as a given in the Dresdenverse: Jim has made it clear it's a VERY "kitchen sink" sort of 'verse.
Googling around -- not following the links just seeing what the results list on the first page looks like -- I see both arguments that angels can, and that they cannot, bilocate. Pretty clearly, it's whatever Jim wants, with adequate support either way.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 26, 2020, 04:21:44 PM ---Actually, the double-cross was planned from long before that point.
The whole thing with Marcone setting up a supernaturals' vault, to be a doorway into Hades' realm (with Hades the first investor): that was setting up the (eventual) double-cross.
Going to Vadderung? That was just the loop of the plot needed for Harry to trust whatever agent the plotters were using (Goodman Grey in this case). Mab could equally have made that call, maybe even Marcone; but Harry wouldn't have been as ready to trust any agent that either one recommended.
Vadderung has the role of "the guy Harry can trust" in the long con being run against the plots of the bad guys (and as he's still a relative pawn, the long con is running against Harry too).
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That is my point, I think it was set up by Mab when she asked for the favor to begin with from Nic and Andruiel.
--- Quote ---Considering Uriel was walking around the Carpenter's place at the time, I don't see how he was in Michael's body.
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Read pages 304 through 306 of Skin Game and you will see what I mean.. It ends with Harry saying
The italics are Jim's.
--- Quote ---Uriel, I thought. You sneaky bastard. But you weren't telling me anything I didn't already suspect"
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Uriel is an archangel, so just because a mortal body in his guise remained at the Carpenter house, doesn't mean it was really him.. It could have been Michael in a different guise.. I know it is very tin hat, but read those pages, it just got me wondering..
didymos:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 26, 2020, 05:31:38 PM ---Read pages 304 through 306 of Skin Game and you will see what I mean.. It ends with Harry saying
The italics are Jim's.
--- Quote ---Uriel, I thought. You sneaky bastard. But you weren't telling me anything I didn't already suspect.
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Uriel is an archangel, so just because a mortal body in his guise remained at the Carpenter house, doesn't mean it was really him.. It could have been Michael in a different guise.. I know it is very tin hat, but read those pages, it just got me wondering..
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It reads to me like maybe Uriel preloaded a Message for Michael to deliver, but to be honest, I'm not sure exactly what Harry meant there.
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