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Harry the Anti-Christ, Harry the Merlin
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 22, 2020, 07:12:24 AM ---Because parentage is irrelevant? Being "starborn" is like a wierd mix of astrology & feng shui (as best I can tell).
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Might be irrelevant, might not be. We really have zero evidence either way, hence why I am exploring theories. Quite possibly you are right about what a starborn is, and perhaps that is the same as a Destroyer, perhaps not. But I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out Harry's parentage has contributed to his special status.
--- Quote from: g33k on February 22, 2020, 07:12:24 AM ---WoJ states that Whampires can only have modest magical talents. Maybe that's retrofitting things after letting Thomas have a tracking-spell? That's unclear to me. Also unclear is whether a Whamp could be up to even weak White-Council standards, or if they don't quite get there... I don't recall if WoJ is explicit on this point.
Bianca had some magic; Arianna had more. Neither was as strong as Harry, but then again: very few White Council wizards are as strong as Harry! I suspect either one could have been a WC wizard, if they hadn't been Ramps.
Mavra absolutely has magic, and I suspect more than either Bianca or Arianna.
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I don't recall that particular WOJ, but even assuming that's the case it begs the very interesting question of why not? Black Court and Red Court don't seem to have any issues, and I do think that Mavra seemed to have more than Arianna or Bianca (but not more than a Lord of the Outer Night). My guess is that Jim had certain rules built in for Vampires initially that he has done soft reboots of. Red Court vampires were not supposed to be anywhere near as strong or skillful as White Council Wizards, but tbh we haven't seen much evidence of that. We have only met one "real" Black Court Vampire - the ones that Mavra created in White Night (I think) were both very recent and poor examples of their kind. Mavra is old guard, a step below the Elders of the Black Court I suspect. She is as old as Vlad Tepesh (Dracula, Drakul's son)!
Avernite - Your assuming Justin knew who the father was there. If he didn't know Raith was the father then it fits fine. If he did, then I agree it starts to not hold up well, unless he had some other piece of information about how to get rid of Harry's phage.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on February 22, 2020, 11:55:17 AM ---I don't recall that particular WOJ, but even assuming that's the case it begs the very interesting question of why not? Black Court and Red Court don't seem to have any issues, and I do think that Mavra seemed to have more than Arianna or Bianca (but not more than a Lord of the Outer Night). My guess is that Jim had certain rules built in for Vampires initially that he has done soft reboots of. Red Court vampires were not supposed to be anywhere near as strong or skillful as White Council Wizards, but tbh we haven't seen much evidence of that. We have only met one "real" Black Court Vampire - the ones that Mavra created in White Night (I think) were both very recent and poor examples of their kind. Mavra is old guard, a step below the Elders of the Black Court I suspect. She is as old as Vlad Tepesh (Dracula, Drakul's son)!
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The concern over Council members being captured and turned by the reds seems to indicate their abilities would carry over pretty equally. BCV magic users probably operate similarly.
As for Mavra, she could actually be an Elder for all we know. Jim has played clues about them close to his vest - we don't know whether there was something qualitatively special about the first thirty, or it's a rank for the thirty top BCV's still 'surviving' where one being destroyed means a replacement is promoted. If it means the latter, she's almost certainly among the top tier by now. If the former, I'd have to expect the Elders would have been priority targets for other nations during Stoker's purge - personally, I strongly suspect Tunguska was Ebenezar's way of targeting some of them - but it's still possible a few slipped through.
morriswalters:
--- Quote ---Something that we haven't explored enough in this theory is why Thomas ISN'T a Destroyer/Starborn, especially if he has the same parentage.
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The easiest way of explaining why Thomas isn't a Starborn is that they shot at the target and missed. Having said that it fails to account for Elaine if she was Starborn as well.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan ---Avernite - Your assuming Justin knew who the father was there.
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It's unsafe to assume otherwise. Somebody knew a lot. They knew where Harry was. And Harry didn't have a fixed address. They tagged after him for six years. And they had a plan for losing surveillance after they murdered Malcolm. And a way to shield him from prying eyes. Lash doesn't say that parentage is important. But they couldn't control the circumstances of Harry's birth. The when, where and how unless it was set up before she ran. But if parentage was important and Malcolm was the father then Margaret knew who he was before she ran. He wasn't random. Is there a hole in that?
And I have to ask, doesn't anyone ever find it funny that Harry does so much rat running with senior level angels. Not to mention dream mail from dad. He gets a lot of attention for a non angel.
didymos:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 23, 2020, 01:43:40 AM ---The easiest way of explaining why Thomas isn't a Starborn is that they shot at the target and missed.
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No one was shooting for anything. Thomas was an accident:
--- Quote ---Did Maggie LeFay Intentionally and for a purpose have a child, Thomas, with Lord Raith?
No. She was having lots of awesome vampire sex and it sort of happened.
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morriswalters:
Yeah. Jim seems to have a misconception, common to men. That is, if you are having great vampire sex without the benefit of birth control that a baby is an accident. Your genitals know what evolution created them for, and they are tireless and have a great work ethic.
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