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Harry's use of Black Magic
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 08, 2020, 05:33:03 PM --- Also black magic is black magic in my opinion, whether wielded by a wizard or a Fae.. Penalties or lack there of for using it may be different but that is little comfort to the one on the receiving end. I also think as long as she still has a human soul or piece of one Molly will suffer a stain from it. It might be that more than anything that has twisted Mab over a thousand years.. Here is another tin hat thought, we know the black staff protects Eb from the negative effects of black magic.. What if it
performed exactly the same task for Mother Winter? That might account for some of her attitude because she does what she must do now without it's protection.
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For Molly it is simple now. If it is against her nature she simply can not do it. No changing of the winter mantle that way.
Mother winter can not get that involved now anyway. Maybe her staf was given to a human to do necessary things. The great powers split of small parts of their power to meddle with mortal affairs like the knights and this is similar.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 08, 2020, 05:46:32 PM ---For Molly it is simple now. If it is against her nature she simply can not do it. No changing of the winter mantle that way.
Mother winter can not get that involved now anyway. Maybe her staf was given to a human to do necessary things. The great powers split of small parts of their power to meddle with mortal affairs like the knights and this is similar.
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Then why does Mother Summer say Mother doesn't go out much now because she lost her stick? If it was given, it apparently wasn't her wish that it be given.. Though yeah, she might have also meant that she lost it because she gave it up.. Jim again gives himself some wiggle room..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 07, 2020, 02:57:45 PM --- ... We saw in the short story about her since she became Winter Lady that she was willing to break the rules about sex and Winter Ladies. I guess one could argue ignorance, but I think it was more she ignored the rules and Ramirez suffered for it.
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No, I think it was genuine ignorance. I think that scene was where Molly learned about the restriction.
I think she was presuming, since she was feeling extra-horny from Winter urges, that Winter wanted her to be sexually-active. I think it was a shock to her that she was being pushed that way, but unable to indulge.
I think Mab was intentionally "letting her learn the hard way," and presuming that she'd learn better if she hurt (or killed) a partner...
I am unclear if the Knights are an exception to the rule; I tend to believe not: I think the Knight-and-Lady pairs are the models upon which the troubadors built those images of chaste-but-intense amours, forbidden love (that was part of the very-transgressive nature of Lancelot & Guenevere).
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 08, 2020, 05:56:41 PM --- Then why does Mother Summer say Mother doesn't go out much now because she lost her stick? If it was given, it apparently wasn't her wish that it be given.. Though yeah, she might have also meant that she lost it because she gave it up.. Jim again gives himself some wiggle room..
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Or she gave it to someone and it just wasn't returned when expected.
She may inherently be black magic to the earth when she walks it.
Completely unrelated, but I normally read on my phone and it's hard to post there. I think a number of posters don't understand the Black Magic *twisting*.
It seems to me that *all magic* reinforces you and makes you more easily able to use it. In other words, the more fire magic Harry uses, the better he is with fire magic- and it's not just that he has practice, but that his abilities with fire magic, like in a RPG, increase because he becomes someone more able to use fire magic. Not just like building up muscle, but his personality because more disposed this way.
It would explain why older wizards become "fixed" and difficult to tamper with; every use of magic reinforces who you are and eliminates extraneous bits. Think of it like wizards becoming less grey and more crisply black and white as they use magic, the opposite of laundry. Use it to heal someone repeatedly, and you become someone who is a healer; a personality trait amplified and focused by your use of healing. It *removes* personality traits that would make you conflicted about the magic, by making you a subtly different photocopy of yourself every time you engage in the act.
Harry's been using force a lot more as he ages, and fire less- he's also becoming more stubbornly focused and less reactionary and angry. He's *become* more force and less fire.
It explains Eb and Langtry- different sides of the French-Indian war, right? Eb's the best at blowing things up and Langtry's the best . . at stopping things being up. They *forced* each other to develop in that way, and it's why they can't get along now. Oil and water. Their magic made them opposite personalities.
Black magic would work the same- it doesn't just overcome normal conscious squeamishness, it erases the personality traits that would make you squeem and re-writes you into someone who will reach for it naturally. Harry's completely unrepentant about killing. He worries about the backlash about killing with magic, but he doesn't bat an eye at killing- mundanely. That's part of his backlash..
Mira:
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Black magic would work the same- it doesn't just overcome normal conscious squeamishness, it erases the personality traits that would make you squeem and re-writes you into someone who will reach for it naturally. Harry's completely unrepentant about killing. He worries about the backlash about killing with magic, but he doesn't bat an eye at killing- mundanely. That's part of his backlash..
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I disagree, Harry is repentant about killing, but he is a soldier, sometimes lives have to be taken. I totally disagree that killing has become a mundane thing with him.
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