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Harry's use of Black Magic
Mira:
--- Quote ---Immortals are qualitatively different from mortals. They can only be truly killed in certain places in space (Chicago-above-Chicago
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Thank you for making my argument.. If they can die under any circumstances no matter how special they are not truly immortal. Uriel is immortal, the fallen trapped in the coins are, Vadderung most likely is, many of the inmates on Demonreach most likely are, but the Ladies and the Queens are not, simply because in certain places under certain conditions they can be killed.
didymos:
They're called immortals in the text.
morriswalters:
The closer you look at this the less there is to see. Immortality is an inferred state. It's meaningless in any true sense. You can't see the endpoints. How would you know the White God can't be killed? All Bob can know is that the WG hasn't been killed yet. In the books, immortality means precisely what Butcher needs it to mean.
--- Quote ---Immortals are qualitatively different from mortals. They can only be truly killed in certain places in space (Chicago-above-Chicago) and time (conjunctions - Halloween)..
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I'll point out the problem. If this is true why not detonate Demonreach on Halloween? Use the banefire and end the problem forever. Obviously an eternal prison was way cooler, storywise. And I'm not seeing why this would make any difference to Norse God like Odin.
Probably the closest Jim has come to making sense of this is considering it in terms of matter and energy, which can change state but not be destroyed. Which is what immortals are doing during Halloween and Chicago over Chicago.
A slight digression here. Have you ever considered why Maeve was so pissed? I'll share my opinion. Momma turned Maeve into an eternal virgin while Sarissa got eternal youth without all the silly limitations. Talk about screwed? :o
Well, carry on.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on February 21, 2020, 01:55:01 PM ---A slight digression here. Have you ever considered why Maeve was so pissed? I'll share my opinion. Momma turned Maeve into an eternal virgin while Sarissa got eternal youth without all the silly limitations. Talk about screwed? :o
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I thought that was obvious.
But here you see the difference between Maeve and Molly.
Maeve thinks I am screwed, I get everything else screwed even more.
Molly thinks I have a duty, it is really important, get over it.
Mira:
--- Quote from: didymos on February 21, 2020, 01:18:55 PM ---They're called immortals in the text.
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Perhaps, but if there is a way to kill them, they aren't. Yes, if nothing happens to where they are plotted against and murdered under the right conditions, so immortal, but there are loop holes for the sake of the plot if nothing else.
--- Quote ---The closer you look at this the less there is to see. Immortality is an inferred state. It's meaningless in any true sense. You can't see the endpoints. How would you know the White God can't be killed? All Bob can know is that the WG hasn't been killed yet. In the books, immortality means precisely what Butcher needs it to mean.
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Exactly, loop holes to be used by the author to further the plot.. If Aurora, Maeve, or Lily need to die to further the plot, Jim will dream up a loop hole so they can be killed, Halloween, the Stone Table, whatever..
--- Quote ---A slight digression here. Have you ever considered why Maeve was so pissed? I'll share my opinion. Momma turned Maeve into an eternal virgin while Sarissa got eternal youth without all the silly limitations. Talk about screwed? :o
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Indeed.. ::) No doubt as time goes on Molly will be a bit pissed about it also.. It also may account for Mab's sadistic application of sex when needed to her knight.. It was used to inflict pain on Slate, and to make Harry supposedly hers...
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