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Harry's use of Black Magic
morriswalters:
It was Halloween.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on February 20, 2020, 08:06:14 AM ---When the supernatural in the series refers to Mortals, they are referring to beings with Free Will.
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Not always. They're kind of sloppy with the term. Sometimes wizards aren't considered mortals and sometimes they are.
--- Quote from: Arjan on February 20, 2020, 02:01:47 PM ---See also Sarissa’s remark about her boyfriends in Cold Days. That deal with nemesis did not come out of thin air.
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That sounds like a reference to what we saw unfold in Cold Case.
--- Quote from: Mira on February 20, 2020, 12:51:30 PM ---The Fae can be killed, Aurora was killed by steel box knives, Maeve, by a bullet, Lily, by a bullet.
Jim is going by the Tolkien rule for elves, they are basically immortal but they can be killed by violence.
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No one is arguing that Fae can't be killed. Fae are killed left and right. The statement is that immortals can't be killed. That's why they're immortals. We learn in Cold Days that immortals can be killed at/during certain conjunctions.
And I say statement because there's no need to make an argument over that point. It's explicit. If you're going to say that the Lady's aren't immortal, you've got the burden to come with an argument other than "they aren't immortals because they were killed during what we've been told are conjunctions where immortals can be killed."
Mira:
--- Quote ---No one is arguing that Fae can't be killed. Fae are killed left and right. The statement is that immortals can't be killed. That's why they're immortals. We learn in Cold Days that immortals can be killed at/during certain conjunctions.
And I say statement because there's no need to make an argument over that point. It's explicit. If you're going to say that the Lady's aren't immortal, you've got the burden to come with an argument other than "they aren't immortals because they were killed during what we've been told are conjunctions where immortals can be killed."
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Dead is dead, there may be conditions, times, and places only that they can be killed.. But dead is dead. That is why I mentioned that Jim seems to be going by Tolkien's rule for elves, they are immortal for the most part, but they can be killed in battle, lots of dead elves haunting the Dead Marshes for example.
Titania wouldn't be so upset if she knew for a fact that Aurora would live again, she isn't.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 21, 2020, 05:12:46 AM ---That sounds like a reference to what we saw unfold in Cold Case.
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Yes and I got the impression that she kept trying. Something Molly would never do.
Yuillegan:
Mira, not to be rude, but you are being stubborn. Didymos has shown you evidence, and you are refusing it because it doesn't line up with your theory. Sorry, but you're wrong.
As for the whole Bob doesn't know everything...Harry's opinion on Bob is subjective, not objective. So Harry could be wrong about Bob, according to you logic. See the issue?
Besides which that was just poor writing on Jim's part. I have pointed it out before but the "revelation" about Soulfire that Harry has in Cold Days is almost exactly the same as Bob's explanation of it to him in Small Favor when he first gets it. I know Jim gets to read several different versions of each book so he forgets sometimes what he has written, and is often very busy both professionally and personally (he is only human after all) but nonetheless, it was almost a flat out error. But I love his work, so I make it work in my head. But looking at it dispassionately it is poor form.
So to repeat:
Immortals are qualitatively different from mortals. They can only be truly killed in certain places in space (Chicago-above-Chicago) and time (conjunctions - Halloween). They are not the same as the Elves of middle-earth, although normal Fae might be similar. Immortals like Hades, Mab, the Mothers, Angels and the Ladies can be burned, chopped up or shot etc but will always reform, unless killed in those specific circumstances mentioned above. Then the actual holder of the mantle changes, and the mantle can be consumed. That's the whole plot of Summer Knight, trying to absorb the energy of the Knight to unbalance the Courts. And is also what Bob talks about when he is explaining his secret in Cold Days, that this is how Immortals feed/run free. That was why Bob's information was so dangerous it warranted his destruction.
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